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Bush open to idea of pardon for former U.S. Border Patrol agents who shot Mexican drug dealer
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| Jan 18, 2007
Posted on 01/18/2007 4:34:51 PM PST by jdm
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To: Tarkus2040
To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
You said -- A pardon is granted to someone guilty of wrongdoing. The border agents did nothing wrong. They should be apoligized to and let go, they don't need a "pardon".
Well, while the President *can* pardon, he can't undo a conviction. A court can do that -- but that's (again) *not* the President.
AND, if those border agents *really believe* that they did nothing wrong (and I'm not saying one way or another, here) to the point of thinking that a pardon "indicates" that they *did* do something wrong -- then -- those border agents are free to *reject* the pardon and stay in jail to assuage their conscience.
Regards,
Star Traveler
To: jdm
Did my email make the difference?
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:02:10 PM PST
by
CaptainK
(...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
To: jdm
The article said -- "Bush open to idea of pardon for former U.S. Border Patrol agents who shot Mexican drug dealer"
And..., how long is the President going to make them wait before the pardon...? Till the end of Bush's term?
Regards,
Star Traveler
To: zarf
You think Bush gives a damn about opinion at this point?
Obviously I can't know for sure, but more and more the answer appears to be yes, at least in some areas. The real question is: whose opinion does he give a damn about?
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:11:58 PM PST
by
fr_freak
To: Radix
Looks as if the pardon is a done deal. I'm way past taking bush's word on anything. I'll believe it when I see it, until then it's just another unfunded fence gimmick.
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:13:04 PM PST
by
org.whodat
(Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
To: jdm
If Bush does not pardon these men his approval will fall below 15%. I'll be one of those he's lost.
To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
A pardon is granted to someone guilty of wrongdoing. The border agents did nothing wrong. They should be apoligized to and let go, they don't need a "pardon". Any normal interpretation of law says you're wrong.
Border agents responsibilities don't include being judge jury and executioners of drug smugglers.
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:32:35 PM PST
by
Jorge
To: jdm
Bush said "there's a process for pardons" and the case has to work its way through the system.BS! He could sign the paperwork first thing in the morning and it'd be a done deal.
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To: Sender
I pledge to support all Americans who shoot illegal criminal invaders in the ass. Do it for the children. For the children. You have a distorted sense of justice.
Perhaps we should likewise support chopping off your fingers for typing a post that promotes such warped moral priorities.
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:39:02 PM PST
by
Jorge
To: All
Bush will NOT pardon these men, and anyone who thinks he should is ignorant of the facts.
EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:48:09 PM PST
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: Jorge
I would much rather have an insurmountable wall and a reasonable agreement with the Mexican government. Failing that, I say those who bring half a ton of drugs illegally into this country will be shot in the ass.
Chop away, amigo. No me preocupe. Hagalo por los ninos.
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:49:25 PM PST
by
Sender
("Great powers should never get involved in the politics of small tribes.")
To: Star Traveler
I was commenting in general, wasn't refering to the President per se.
If any pardoning is going to be done, it's upto the border agents whether or not to pardon the judge for wrongly convicting them.
And what are Thanksgiving turkeys guilty of, those who receive Presidential pardons ?
To: zarf
I wouldn't consider myself "right wing" and I've been trashing him...
C
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:56:32 PM PST
by
ARA
To: Sender
Failing that, I say those who bring half a ton of drugs illegally into this country will be shot in the ass. So NOW it's not just suggesting we shoot ALL illegals, but only those who "bring half a ton of drugs".
You are too funny.
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posted on
01/18/2007 5:59:29 PM PST
by
Jorge
To: Jorge
Many Knee Jerkers who reacted to this, once again, don't seem to care about the FACTS. Most don't even have a clue about what really went on in this case.
The case was tried buy a JURY, of 12, and they found them guilty. NOT THE PRESIDENT!. I viewed the evidence that was presented to the Court about these agents and I side with the court's decision.
These agents did some very underhanded things, they covered up evidence, knew the perp was unarmed and they fired 12 rounds from their shot guns into the back of the suspect as he tried to flee.
The Two guards were Mexican Americans hired to work as Border Patrol. There is nothing in this case that says the President has any obligation to pardon the criminal behavior of these two guards.
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posted on
01/18/2007 6:01:32 PM PST
by
PSYCHO-FREEP
(Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
To: Jorge
Before you judge me, I am not some knuckle-dragging Mexican hater. I elected to study in Mexico rather than any other international destination. I have always promoted Hispanic culture as being moral and hard-working.
That being said, the current state of our Southern border is inexcusable. Millions run across each year, some of them hostile non-Mexicans. Crime and drug cartels are becoming increasingly violent in places like Nuevo Laredo and the border crossing towns. People, especially young women, are often kidnapped and killed. Rivals are routinely gunned down. Now we have reports of our own National Guard being routed by armed banditos or narcotraficantes coming across and our troops are unarmed. This is not an acceptable situation. Neither is the wholesale shift of half the Mexican working population al Norte an acceptable situation.
We simply need to work out some things. The border as it is is a joke. The rules of engagement are a joke. Something has to change.
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posted on
01/18/2007 6:01:48 PM PST
by
Sender
("Great powers should never get involved in the politics of small tribes.")
To: jdm
The Mods are smoking on this thread.
To: PSYCHO-FREEP
These agents did some very underhanded things, they covered up evidence, knew the perp was unarmed and they fired 12 rounds from their shot guns into the back of the suspect as he tried to flee. Thank you. Nice to read comments from somebody who actually knows something about the case.
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posted on
01/18/2007 6:03:55 PM PST
by
Jorge
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