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Sabbath Wins in Cohen v. Seinfeld Ruling
Arutz 7 ^ | Jan 17, '07 | Ezra HaLevi

Posted on 01/17/2007 8:50:22 AM PST by Nachum

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To: APRPEH

No. I disagree with you. God set an example for us -- you take a day off. God does not need to rest. WE need to rest. God does not need to be worship. WE need to worship.

Don't work on the Shabbat if you can help it. You need that time to worship the one true God, and to recharge your batteries. That's what I take from the Sabbath. That's what I think it means to say Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.

It's wrong to say God didn't create on the seventh day. He Created the Sabbath.


81 posted on 01/17/2007 11:00:38 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx.")
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To: TheCPA

if you accept the Sabbath as for "everyone" accept all the other Mitzvas too. if not, than acknowledge that G-d was talking to Bnai Yisroel. B'nai Yisroel is a specific family which became a nation. it is NOT universal.


82 posted on 01/17/2007 11:01:26 AM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: Gay State Conservative
As long as it was clearly spelled out in the contract

Since when do you have to sign a contract in order to view a property?

She already showed the property to the Seinfelds twice.

83 posted on 01/17/2007 11:03:01 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: -YYZ-

Minimum wage? I got 50 cents a pizza, which didn't cover my expenses. If I didn't get decent tips, I didn't make any money at all.


84 posted on 01/17/2007 11:04:29 AM PST by RonF
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To: ichabod1
How bout tearing a square of toilet papeh?

“Sorry... I can't spare a square.”

85 posted on 01/17/2007 11:04:57 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: Nachum

That's weird...

Either she was co-broker or not co-broker. The Sabbath has nothing to do with it. If it were Wednesday and she couldn't return the call, the issue would be the same.


86 posted on 01/17/2007 11:16:09 AM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: APRPEH

Just so. The six days' work is called the Hexameron in the Christian tradition. St. Basil wrote a work of that title, and there were numerous imitations, such as DuBartas's poem on the six days work, translated by Sylvester and used by Milton in Paradise Lost.

The Christian view, which I don't think is that far from the Jewish view, is that the six days' work corresponds to worldly time, and the seventh day, on which God rested, corresponds to eternity.

The final stanza of Spenser's Faerie Queene, Book VII, also refers to this tradition.

Early Christians moved their sabbath from Saturday to Sunday to commemorate Easter.


87 posted on 01/17/2007 11:29:33 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Alouette
Since when do you have to sign a contract in order to view a property? She already showed the property to the Seinfelds twice.

First of all,I'm not expressing any judgments regarding the question of the basic legitimacy of Seinfeld's lawsuit. I've bought and sold several pieces of residential real estate in my life...in several states.I've found that state laws and regional customs vary from state to state.In all but one incidence,I was required to sign a contract with an agent before he/she would represent me as a buyer.I don't know how things are done in your neck of the woods.

As I said earlier,it was completely reasonable for the agent in question to refuse to work on Saturday (or Sunday...or any other day of the week).

But I think that it was reasonable for Seinfeld to expect his agent to work on Saturday unless he was specifically informed that she wouldn't.Whether or not her refusal to work on Saturday constitutes some sort of breach of contract (assuming that he wasn't informed of her refusal) I don't know.

However,I do know that,particularly in a hot real estate market,a single day can make the difference between getting or not getting a property and can sometimes even decide the interest rate you pay on your mortgage.

88 posted on 01/17/2007 11:32:03 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: ichabod1
i dont disagree with some of your statement..

one of the points i intended to make by saying this:
(He is the creator who commanded us (the Jewish people) to stop creating on the 7th day, Shabbos (that would be Saturday to you) in the Bible)
is to make the point that you did very nicely.

Don't work on the Shabbat if you can help it. You need that time to worship the one true God, and to recharge your batteries. That's what I take from the Sabbath.

Agreed, accept for the part of "if you can help it" unless you are referring to medical emergencies or other such reasons where true compulsion is forcing you not to observe. otherwise, there is not a permission to decide between in this case yes or this case no. consult the LOR.

G-d stopped creating on the 7th day. the creation of the 7th was not on the 7th. please clarify your comment if you disagree.

i never implied that G-d needs to rest, that would be a huge mistake. sorry if you interpreted it that way. However, G-d set into motion a pattern for all time for the benefit of those to whom he commanded to keep Shabbos. The pattern He set is programed into our very beings since our beings come directly from Him.

However, there is no restriction on a gentile from any form of labor on shabbos. Shabbos is not included in the Noahide laws.

in regards to G-d needing to be worshipped, not so certain about this...

89 posted on 01/17/2007 11:38:57 AM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Whether or not her refusal to work on Saturday constitutes some sort of breach of contract seems to have been settled by the judge, it doesn't. The article notes

Seinfeld’s estate manager had visited the apartment with Cohen in January 2005, when the listing broker for the townhouse agreed to co-broke the house with her.

so the issue of coverage seems to be a non-issue. Seinfeld paid the listing broker, per other article.

It's not stated, but the article's implication is that Seinfeld employed a buy side broker. If that's the case, her responsibity likely entailed researching suitable properties for Seinfeld, rather than showing him properties as the listing brokers agent. She located the property and showed it to him twice.

He apparently purchased the property "without" a broker, though ended up paying the listing agent. That would have been a tough one, that scam has been well litigated. I think he simply saw a way to save 100 grand. If other articles are correct that Seinfeld and not the seller, paid the listing broker that would support the idea that he was simply trying to save a few bucks.

90 posted on 01/17/2007 11:44:31 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson
As I suggested earlier,my experience with real estate transactions has taught me that laws and customs can vary from state to state...and region to region.The handful of purchases I've made recently have all involved both a "seller's agent" and a "buyer's agent" and they all involved contracts that stipulated that the seller would pay a particular percentage of the purchase price to the seller's agent as commission and that that agent would compensate the buyer's agent per a formula worked out between the agents.

It looks like NY might do things differently.

91 posted on 01/17/2007 11:53:46 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Cicero
which God rested, corresponds to eternity

Jews call Shabbos "a foretaste of the world to come"

92 posted on 01/17/2007 11:55:59 AM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: TheCPA

When did the Sabbath move from Saturdays to Sundays for mainline Christians ?


93 posted on 01/17/2007 12:15:37 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Mainline Christians aren't being discussed in this story.


94 posted on 01/17/2007 12:17:30 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

I thought perhaps the CPA might know. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.


95 posted on 01/17/2007 12:19:18 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
How can you be in real estate and not work Saturdays ?

Well, if most of your clientele won't look at apartments or houses on Saturday, it works out for you.

96 posted on 01/17/2007 12:19:22 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Apparently, someone had to! :)


97 posted on 01/17/2007 12:19:56 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Cicero

this looks like one for you....


98 posted on 01/17/2007 12:46:28 PM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: Cicero

i mean post #93 {sorry}


99 posted on 01/17/2007 12:47:39 PM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: sageb1
While I do support reasonable accommodation for religious belief as a general rule, I think in this case you are correct.

And, I completely understand what you are talking about regarding setting a dangerous precedent. Next thing you know, we'll have "special days" at the local pool.

VERY tough legal territory.
100 posted on 01/17/2007 12:57:54 PM PST by pollyannaish
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