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Posted on 01/17/2007 6:33:23 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Mase
[Me:] Do you have a source for this "ninety percent" claim?
"The United States, which does not currently have price controls, produces nearly 90 percent of the world's supply of new pharmaceuticals." [from National Review] National Review is a paper of opinion which for example was peddling the false myth of Bosnian and Kosovo genocides. You need some hard source.
Also what percentage of "new" drugs are old drugs repackaged or modified for marketing reasons?
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01/17/2007 9:44:55 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Napoleon Bonaparte:There, is a sleeping giant. Let him sleep! If he wakes, he will shake the world.)
To: Investment Biker
The FDA and the medical profession should be ashamed in the way that they refuse sick individuals right to experiment on themselves. ALL DRUGS should be over the counter. The only role the FDA should have is a stamp of approval. One should not have to obtain a prescription to buy life saving medicine. End of rant...I agree. And that goes for doctors as well. End the socialism for the rich - licensing.
To: A. Pole
Do you think that science is possible without basic research not based on profit?We don't need government to fund basic research. Voluntary subscription works already.
To: A. Pole
National Review is a paper of opinion which for example was peddling the false myth of Bosnian and Kosovo genocides. You need some hard source. Could you possibly be any more ignorant? Find me a hard source that refutes the ACSH's claim. This information comes directly from NIH statistics. Why do you insist on debating topics you know nothing about?
Also what percentage of "new" drugs are old drugs repackaged or modified for marketing reasons?
Modified drugs have to be proven to be uniquely different and efficacious or the FDA will not approve them. The FDA is no friend of industry. In the past 10 years more than 300 "new" drugs have been approved by the FDA. Of all the drugs in use today, more than half have been created in just the past 25 years. If you'd ever bother to do some of your own homework, and learned about the subject you choose to debate, you'd realize the pipeline is filled with lots of promising new drugs for cancer, fighting infection and managing other diseases. Profit is driving that innovation despite what you and your socialist allies would like us to believe. Kill that motive and you'll kill the golden goose. Then we can all be equally sick and equally miserable in socialist utopia.
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posted on
01/17/2007 10:05:22 AM PST
by
Mase
(Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
To: Michael_Michaelangelo
A molecule big enough to be named DCA is big enough to not be considered small.
To: Our man in washington
I understand the arguments for both narcotics and antibiotics being restricted.
As for narcotics, I'd turn control over to the pharmacists and would de-criminalize them anyway, preferably one at a time over a period of several years. Worked for alcohol. I seem to recall that in Canada you can get codeine without a prescription. Sine the overwhelming majority of people are responsible, and will follow the doctors' or pharmacists' recomendations.
Antibiotics are another matter, and one that concerns me more. Perhaps last-resort antibiotics should be controlled.
To: Centurion2000
Yet Russians aren't dropping dead in the streets from mis-use.
To: Mase
This information comes directly from NIH statistics. How do you know? If you know it, why don't you provide a direct source instead of this very partisan magazine. After the wars on Serbs I lost my confidence in National Review completely (and I canceled my long time subscription).
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01/17/2007 10:21:22 AM PST
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A. Pole
(Napoleon Bonaparte:There, is a sleeping giant. Let him sleep! If he wakes, he will shake the world.)
To: DuncanWaring
We almost agree. I think some antibiotics might safely be otc, but not the major new ones.
To: From many - one.
""Prescriptions" should be recommndations, and you should not need them. "Ditto that.
"Many of our prescription drugs are otc (over-the-counter) in Canada and part of Europe. Don't see their populations dropping like flies."
It's really a concern to maintain and further the professional monopoly. It's an income thing and a jobs program for ninnies.
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posted on
01/17/2007 10:23:16 AM PST
by
spunkets
To: Michael_Michaelangelo
"The compound, which is sold both as powder and as a liquid, is widely available at chemistry stores." LOL! Honey, I'm going shopping. Want anything from the chemistry store?
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01/17/2007 10:30:47 AM PST
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spunkets
To: A. Pole
Good grief. NR was only reprinting an article from Elizabeth Whelan from the American Council on Science and Health. I'm too busy to go through the NIH stats for you since someone else already has. You do some homework for a change and prove what she says is wrong. In absence of anything from you refuting her claim, her information stands as accurate.
While you're doing your own research, why don't you find out why most major pharmaceutical companies have located their R&D facilities to the center of mean capitalism, the United States. You know, capitalism without a face. Learning the answer could be good for you.
Drug Importation Threatens Pharmaceutical Innovation
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posted on
01/17/2007 10:38:18 AM PST
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Mase
(Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
To: Michael_Michaelangelo
These guys are just squawking for money and the leftist paper is pushing the story, because it's an opportunity to bitch that the govm'ts not handing out money like candy.
Dichloroacetate is the anion of a salt. It is toxic and has a low potency. This paper covers it's effect. I'll point out that in no way can this be a cure for cancer. It does not kill cancer cells, which is what's required for cure.
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01/17/2007 10:41:38 AM PST
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spunkets
To: From many - one.
"I think some antibiotics might safely be otc, but not the major new ones."Fundamentally, what you mean is that some people can handle their own affairs once they become adults, but not all. So, we must provide everyone with the universal parent to provide lifetime nanny services, which will be called fedgov and various other names covering it's various personalities. Like HUD, FDA, OSHA, FMSA, ect...
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01/17/2007 10:47:52 AM PST
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spunkets
To: millerph
A good example: Prilosec=Omeprazole, Merek was making 11 million/day on it when the patent was to expire. They brought out Nexium=Esomeprazole and claimed it to be better. Omeprazole was the first in the class, little was known about it. Originally it was approved for 20mg/day, no more than 6 weeks. It was learned to be realatively safe over time. Nexium has a recommended dose of 40mg/day, it should work better. Trust me, drug companies know how to work the system. OK. So when does the patent run out on Prevacid?
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01/17/2007 11:00:10 AM PST
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MJemison
To: Michael_Michaelangelo
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posted on
01/17/2007 11:00:19 AM PST
by
diamond6
(Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
To: From many - one.
We have had an explosion of antibiotic resistant bacteria in the last few decades, and you want the stuff to be sold on a street corner? Part of the problem with older antibiotics becoming ineffective is that they were handed out like candy at first, and killed off the susceptible strains.
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01/17/2007 11:11:51 AM PST
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: redgolum
Part of the problem with older antibiotics becoming ineffective is that they were handed out like candy at first, and killed off the susceptible strains. And that they are being used on huge scale by agribusiness at low dosage.
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posted on
01/17/2007 11:27:14 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Napoleon Bonaparte:There, is a sleeping giant. Let him sleep! If he wakes, he will shake the world.)
To: A. Pole
Correct. Both have causes a lot of problems.
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posted on
01/17/2007 11:35:29 AM PST
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: taxcontrol
I would not be so skeptical. Drug companies could use it in an "additive" formulation. DCA plus X plus Y and patent. Well they could patent X and Y, and they could probably even patent DCA + X and Y, but they couldn't prohibit DCA alone from being used or sold by others.
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posted on
01/17/2007 11:55:22 AM PST
by
AFreeBird
(If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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