Posted on 01/15/2007 11:16:24 AM PST by NormsRevenge
Shame on Tom for ever being taken in by Arnold's lies.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/politics/16459243.htm
During the 2006 governor's race, Schwarzenegger relentlessly accused Democrat Phil Angelides of wanting to raise taxes by $18 billion. The largest share of that total, $7 billion, was an Angelides-backed mandate on medium and large businesses to provide health care for their workers. Angelides and others complained that the mandate wasn't a tax; the governor's aides insisted it was.
"If you ask any business owner if employer-mandated health care is a tax, I would argue that they would say yes," Schwarzenegger's campaign spokesman, Matt David, said in August.
When Angelides was asked in a recent interview about Schwarzenegger's health care proposal, he chuckled.
"The governor ended up dreaming up more taxes than ever popped in my head," Angelides said. "It's unfortunate the governor used that in campaign season to attack me on what he has now admitted is a good idea."
Do you think the tune will change?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1729467/posts?page=57#57
I understand, Tom. But, for me, there never was a first time.
Really, there are no surprises here.
Well, we're lucky that Angelides wasn't successful. $7 billion wouldn't be nearly enough to fund Arnold's socialized medicine scheme.
Yes, we'll get a different excuse.
Kinda like that 2003 borrowing scheme cooked up by Gray Davis. It just wasn't enough!
Now we've got borrowing on steroids.
Massive borrowing (i.e. future TAX obligations) and Fees (i.e. TAXES). We've got it all!
http://www.nysun.com/article/46714?page_no=3
The [MLK] breakfast is organized by African-American community leaders and labor unions. Labor activists gave Ms. Pelosi a raucous ovation ...
Governor Schwarzenegger... delivered a perfunctory, three-minute speech paying tribute to King. ... With some prompting from a former San Francisco mayor and legislative leader, Willie Brown, Mr. Schwarzenegger plugged a plan he recently unveiled to require health insurance for all Californians. "It is inexcusable that this state has not yet managed to insure everybody," he said. "There is, I think, a great vibration in the Capitol, a great feeling that even though it was always 'dead on arrival', any kind of reform on health care, I think that this year there is a feeling that we will get it done."
Mr. Schwarzenegger noted that in the country of his birth, Austria, universal health insurance is taken for granted. "I think it's a cultural thing," he said, calling himself 'a fanatic' on the issue.
"We would have to see the language, but if there is an attempt to push this as a fee not requiring a two-thirds vote of each house, then litigation is a distinct possibility," said Jarvis president Jon Coupal. "We would look at it."
"consider filing a lawsuit"?
"litigation is a distinct possibility"?
Wow. Whatever happened to the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association? They used to have guts.
fails to address the question. That doc only provides for systems to enroll people, not what they will do when I refuse to pay 10 cents for it, or even sign on the dotted line.
and yes, I do buy my own insurance, but I would not pay for this under any circumstance.
Sorry, I missed one of your posts.
I see the confiscatory plan regarding wages.
I would be forced to move then, were I a wage earner with no other option, but fortunately, I no longer need to be a wage slave for someone else and I my primary residence in in a state that has no state income tax, so enforcing it through my corporate returns would not be possible.
The people's republic. - I never cease to be amazed at how far they are willing to go to emulate the Gestapo in order to achieve their ends.
Sad that few appreciated either the wisdom of our founding fathers or the warnings from members of this forum. The cautions were wise. The warnings were specific.
Instead, the electorate, for reason to numerous to mention, rushed to the polls to embrace a cinematic hero without a care about governing philosophy or the traditions upon which this nation was founded and prospered.
In nature, consequences are natural and typically limited to those individuals who choose unwisely. In a democracy however, foolishness weights equally on both members of the majority and the minority.
It would be natural to be bitter toward the foolish on this forum, who should have known better, or the general members of the larger electorate, who may have not be wise enough to know better, but the responsibility of a democratic process precludes those feelings.
It is simply my responsibility, within the framework of our system, to work to remove this European liberal from the Republican Party and from public office. Dual citizenship was, and is, an onerous credential for a public official in high office.
Freshman Assemblyman Sandre Swanson, D-Oakland, seated at a front table, praised the governor for putting the issue on a front burner, but said "those of us on the left who believe health care should be a right: It's our responsibility to push our perspective, our agenda. ... The devil's in the details, so let the debate begin." [Source]
LOL ow!
Angelides then launched into a impassioned description of his own plan, which includes expanding health care to all children, cutting the profit margin for HMOs, requiring large companies to provide insurance for employees and then bringing "business leaders, consumers and health experts together to move California toward universal health care." Source
But note the large difference between Arnold and Angelides.
This socialized medicine bill could destroy CA on its own. Source
Oh please FareOpinion, explain for us this "large difference between Arnold and Angelides."
Please? We know you can do it.
Thanks CO!
Damn the archives! Full TWirP Ahead!
Side note, when is a tax neither a tax or a fee? When it's a 'charge'. Saw this term used earlier today.
Some folks in politics love playing fast and loose, as do their operatives here.
You need the code book to see the difference. ;-)
Gray Davis Borrowing ($8B): BAD
Arnold Borrowing ($15B): GOOD
Davis Deficit Spending: BAD
Arnold Deficit Spending: GOOD
Angelides Healthcare mandate on business: TAX
Arnold Healthcare mandate on business: FEE
Angelides Healthcare plan: MARXIST
Arnold Healthcare plan: "Shared Responsibility"
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