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Prison Time For Viewing Porn?
ABC News 20/20 ^ | Jan. 12, 2007

Posted on 01/13/2007 8:39:14 AM PST by JTN

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To: CrawDaddyCA
Call me a nut, but I firmly believe that our government wishes to make criminals of us all.

There is a huge push by populist control freak elements comprised mostly of religious conservatives in our justice departments who have deemed sex as immoral and a gateway drug to violence and perversion.

It is part of the reason why conservatives lost in the last election and why they should have lost to re-balance the system. The trouble is that you also throw the baby out with the bathwater. Liberals come with a host of other problems that they bring to society and our social structure and they cannot be trusted to do the right thing either..

IMO, the key to all of this has been balance and achieving balance is a day to day struggle that will never be finished. Perhaps this is the way it should be.

I realize that this is a centrist position, but that is what I am, on social issues. To me, both parties are dangerous in this regard, but Democrat idealists take the cake.

It's amazing we survive at all.....

41 posted on 01/13/2007 9:50:24 AM PST by Cold Heat ("Ward!.........Go easy on the beaver"!)
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To: wideminded
These people only care about their won-lost record, their future political career, and their ability to push people around. Sometimes they seem just like the psychopaths they are supposed to be protecting us from.

They wouldn't get away with it unless they were reflecting the emotional attitude of a significant part of the population. "Lock-em-up-and-throw-away-the-key!" voters, who punish judges and district attorneys at the ballot box for using discretion or judging each case on its merits.

In other words, us, based on many of the posts I see here on FR.

When we conservatives return to a steadfast pro-liberty stand and knock off all of these "War on Symptoms" causes, these problems will clear up by themselves. But conservative politicians aren't sure they want to now, because just like liberals, they've discovered they like having the power to charge anyone with anything at any time.

42 posted on 01/13/2007 9:54:15 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

...."I thought I would oblige my government by possessing as many firearms as I can."....

...."Likewise"....

Ditto!


43 posted on 01/13/2007 9:56:16 AM PST by Mtner77
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To: JTN
You never addressed the issue I'm raising. I'm commenting on this piece because of the obvious dissembling from the so-called "forensic expert" the family hired. Her statements are pure BS.

The interview you provided does not undermine my point, but bolsters it! Avila states that the images "were found on the computer." His interviewer lets the comment pass unchallenged. Therefore there is nothing about the files to indicate they were hidden, which is certainly a step any hacker would take.

It's a fairytale, similar to saying the tooth fairy goes around putting quarters under kid's pillows, to claim a hacker put these images on the boy's disk.

44 posted on 01/13/2007 9:56:52 AM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: Cold Heat
It is part of the reason why conservatives lost in the last election and why they should have lost to re-balance the system.

You got that right. The Republicans are no longer a party that values individual liberty, but the Democrats haven't been, either, since at least the Sixties. Americans increasingly support a third party named "None of the Above". ;)

45 posted on 01/13/2007 9:58:34 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: JTN
Is it just me, or does the world get crazier every day?

Crazy yes, but the government needs criminals.
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46 posted on 01/13/2007 9:59:41 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Verloona Ti

The ATF used a bogus WOD charge to violate Posse Comitatus and get the military in on Waco. David Koresh was a sick freak, thinking he was Jesus Christ and having sex with minors. The thing that separates the US from a police state is DUE PROCESS. Koresh was denied that here in America, and should have been tried for his crimes. I tend to beleive these things you mention, because this country is becoming more like a Nazi, Commie, Baathist state all the time. The gov would not even let the NRA x-ray the Branch Davidians "illegal" weapons to see if they were made illegal before or after the fire. The investigation's FLIR reenactment of the final assault on the compound was as botched as the initial raid itself.


47 posted on 01/13/2007 10:00:32 AM PST by FNG
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To: happilymarriedmom

--What I don't understand is why is it a crime to READ Playboy but not a crime to MAKE it?--

It is not a crime to read Playboy.


48 posted on 01/13/2007 10:00:42 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: JTN
... Is it just me, or does the world get crazier every day? ...

Its not just you. We are already a socialist nation and as we are reduced from first world to third world status our chains will all be tightened and become heavier. Everyone is guilty of something, don't forget it.

49 posted on 01/13/2007 10:03:21 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: JTN

It is very interesting that the article contains no description of the images in question.

"Child pornography" covers a wide range of depravity, although it is all despicable. I suspect an unbiased description of the images would not help the case the author is obviously trying to make.

BTW, the headline is extremely and intentionally misleading. child pornography is, at it should be, treated very differently from "regular pornography."


50 posted on 01/13/2007 10:04:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: UpAllNight

And it is most definitely a crime to produce child pornography.


51 posted on 01/13/2007 10:06:09 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Verloona Ti

I understand that the Feds have a database of commonly shared illegal images. They can do a quick scan of a criminal's hard drive and match the results against what they know to be illegal. This may be why they are seeing the same ones over and over again.


52 posted on 01/13/2007 10:06:16 AM PST by nitzy
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To: FNG

From what I recall, the reports of abuse were never substantiated either.


53 posted on 01/13/2007 10:09:54 AM PST by nitzy
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To: Cold Heat
There is a huge push by populist control freak elements comprised mostly of religious conservatives in our justice departments who have deemed sex as immoral and a gateway drug to violence and perversion.

I have seen no evidence at all of an increase of religious conservatives in justice departments, with possible exception of some southern states. I suspect the problem is more one of traditional liberals frantic to "protect the children," and of course to boost their own careers. The same groups who locked up innocent child care providers in the 80s, some of whom are still in prison. One of the most egregious of these cases was perpetrated by Janet Reno in FL, who few would consider a religious conservative.

54 posted on 01/13/2007 10:11:52 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: beckett
"Also, hackers seldom -- if ever -- have a need or a desire to place images on a computer."

If they're illegal images they do. You subscribe to an underground service and they give you the IP address(es) of someone else's computer on which they've stored illegal images unbeknown to the owner. This way they stay clean.

On a probablility basis alone, it's far more likely that the boy did download the images, possibly not because he's a pervert but just because he's a dumb kid."

I agree. Plus, we don't even know what they meant by "child porn" in this instance.

55 posted on 01/13/2007 10:12:04 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: FNG

And don't even get me started on the"illegal" gun in the Randy Weaver fiasco.


56 posted on 01/13/2007 10:16:23 AM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: Dosa26

Just curious. Doesn't the computer automatically track and record each time the image is accessed? If an image is located only in the temporary internet files and has never been accessed otherwise, wouldn't that tent to indicate its presence is unintentional.

OTOH, if it's been opened and viewed dozens of times, it's a lot harder to claim it was an accident!

BTW, I do know even deleting objectionable images doesn't remove them so that experts cannot find them still on the drive.


57 posted on 01/13/2007 10:16:43 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
"Child pornography" covers a wide range of depravity,"

As does "rape", as does "sexual harrassment", as does "hate speech", as do a number of generic buzzwords. I have no idea anymore what they mean. I used to.

58 posted on 01/13/2007 10:19:00 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: nitzy

One would think, though, that 'individual preferences' would make some go to different sites and download different images. But per the poster, the same few images show up over and over and over. But, that's just what I was told. I wasn't in the particular court room mentioned, or had an opportunity to see the evidence.But I still think it's creepy the way that sentence is so ubiquitous in accounts of federal arrestees being busted. Is kiddie porn really THAT popular, that common!?!?! I hope not, anyway.


59 posted on 01/13/2007 10:19:20 AM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: robertpaulsen
Not only ON his computer but uploaded to Yahoo? Oops.

Did you bother to read the interview of the prosecuter?
The boy passed two lie detector tests.
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60 posted on 01/13/2007 10:19:44 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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