Fincher Guilty In Machine Gun Case

The Morning News ^ | 01-12-2007 | Ron Wood

[TigersEye]

You showed that the Marine Corps ordered over 20,000 shotguns with 18.5" barrels. Where do you get 14" barrels?

You're right the Marines ordered the Benelli with 18.5" barrels. In post #162 I did show shotguns that other government agencies buy with 14" and 10" barrels.

The argument was about what the second amendment protects from infringement. And it doesn't protect shotguns with barrels less than 18" from infringement.

This is the post I was responding to in the first place which you chose to jump in and reinterpret.

What was the business with the sawed off shotgun?...That is a weapon for armed robbery not defense.

In In post #58 he said the following which laid down the second premise that I rebutted.

Dont think the US Military has ever used a sawed off shotgun not even in WW1. The JSCS weapon in current use isn't short either at 470MM barrel length. Winchester Model 1897 pump shotgun was used in WW1 but it wasn't shortbarreled. It was even fitted with a bayonet mount.

In this post the FReeper I was debating restated the first premise that I took issue with...

Typically sawed off weapons are used by gangbangers as robbery weapons and intimidation weapons.

In neither of those posts is the question of 1934 NFA regulations in question. The premise he set was that "sawed off" shotguns are used by gangbangers and armed robbers and not for legitimate uses such as military. I assumed (and he didn't argue the point) that that would also include other government officers. I proved all of that wrong. 20" barrels are short barreled shotguns and the U.S. Marines currently use shotguns with 18.5" barrels (no bayonet mounts or other supposedly mitigating attachments). Other LEOs use shotguns with barrels as short as 10"s.

Your posts are irrelevant to his premise and to my rebuttal. This misdirection and inherent dishonesty is typical of your style across the spectrum.

[robertpaulsen]

"Other LEOs use shotguns with barrels as short as 10"s."

Whatever.

When it comes to the second amendment, the question is what the MILITARY uses. That's what the Miller court referred to, not what law enforcement uses. Why are you even bringing that up?

You're garbaging up the thread with your irrelevant posts. Oh, and where's my apology for calling me an idiot when it was your mistake after all?

[TigersEye]

You're garbaging up the thread with your irrelevant posts.

Typical of you. Can't take responsibility for your own actions. No one forced you to jump in and pull your misdirection BS with me. I simply responded to your posts to me.

Oh, and where's my apology for calling me an idiot when it was your mistake after all?

My mistake, if any, was responding to you at all. I cleanly rebutted everything you put up. You were off my topic.