Posted on 01/11/2007 2:05:44 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
BTTT!
India, China and others are developing oil related industries with out the mega-expensive emission control equipment and soon will be selling product cheaper than Exxon can make it.
This switch in time more accurately reflects the threats by two Senators to hurt Exxon if it didn't change its policy.
Interesting. "Nuance" LOL.
They probably are thinking they can scam some money out of carbon futures and trading.
""This switch in time more accurately reflects the threats by two Senators to hurt Exxon if it didn't change its policy.""
That's an excellent point! That was not so long ago.
The beauty of the market. A lot of consumers are concerned about global warming. The market responds.
The fact is that there is a lot more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than at any other time in human history. It's not in dispute that the extra amount of carbon dioxide comes from the burning of fossil fuels, which leave distinct markers that are measurable. The rest is conjecture, and it galls me to no end seeing the concept of global warming used by the totalitarian environmental movement to create fear and discord. After seeing the results of environmentalist warnings most of my life, I wouldn't be surprised to see all that carbon dioxide create no large-scale changes at all.
However, it also sounds like a good idea to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide so it doesn't hit astronomical levels, either, in the same manner that banning CFCs was needed to preserve the ozone layer. Again, there was no dispute that chlorine atoms in the upper atmosphere were destroying the ozone; the market took care of the problem without leading to impoverishment or draconian law. In fact, I don't remember noticing ANY problems once CFCs were banned. I want the market to deal with the problem, not a bureaucrat in some cubicle thousands of miles away. If any organization knows about fossil fuels and their byproducts it would be Exxon. Good for them. I don't know what the solution will be, but it's better developed this way than through government fiat.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1748108/posts
Global Warming Gag Order - Senators to Exxon: Shut up, and pay up.
The Wall Street Journal ^ | December 4, 2006
Posted on 12/04/2006 6:33:28 AM MST by Zakeet
Washington has no shortage of bullies, but even we can't quite believe an October 27 letter that Senators Jay Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe sent to ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson. Its message: Start toeing the Senators' line on climate change, or else.
We reprint the full text of the letter here, so readers can see for themselves. But its essential point is that the two Senators believe global warming is a fact, and therefore all debate about the issue must stop and ExxonMobil should "end its dangerous support of the [global warming] 'deniers.' " Not only that, the company "should repudiate its climate change denial campaign and make public its funding history." And in extra penance for being "one of the world's largest carbon emitters," Exxon should spend that money on "global remediation efforts."
The Senators aren't dumb enough to risk an ethics inquiry by threatening specific consequences if Mr. Tillerson declines this offer he can't refuse. But in case the CEO doesn't understand his company's jeopardy, they add that "ExxonMobil and its partners in denial have manufactured controversy, sown doubt, and impeded progress with strategies all-too reminiscent of those used by the tobacco industry for so many years." (Our emphasis.) The Senators also graciously copied the Exxon board on their missive.
This is amazing stuff. On the one hand, the Senators say that everyone agrees on the facts and consequences of climate change. But at the same time they are so afraid of debate that they want Exxon to stop financing a doughty band of dissenters who can barely get their name in the paper. We respect the folks at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, but we didn't know until reading the Rockefeller-Snowe letter that they ran U.S. climate policy and led the mainstream media around by the nose, too. Congratulations.
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"The beauty of the market. A lot of consumers are concerned about global warming. The market responds."
Did you read this??
""While many continue to oppose caps, these companies expect the country will impose mandatory global-warming-emission constraints at some point""
That's the government.
I hope this is not a bad sign that Bush is going to go to the carbon trading system, we'll see in his State of the Union speech.
Your Gaia reference is spot-on, but as to your assertion about the Church, you have it backwards. The Church de-mystified and imposed logic and reasoning on a largely superstitious world. The Church created the alternative to that—modern science and (as many people don't know) free-market economics. If you want to read some mystical road-apples, read the writings of the Enlightenment sages on the subject of say, how many days there should be in a week, and why. (They demanded 10 days per week. The farm animals and farmers rebelled, but at the risk of their lives.)
The reasoning is theological. The Church as always taught that God's universe has an order, and that in His love for mankind, he gave us the ability to discover that order, to grow in unity with Him. If you think the medieval Church was primarily mystical, do a search on the man considered the greatest "doctor of the Church," St. Thomas Aquinas, who died in 1274, and read some of the Summa Theologica.
oh my... should I quote Gandalf the White?
What's Gandalf got to say?
Nice to see you've swallowed the Marxist propaganda. How does it taste?
What do you suppose will happen to the economy when every American family is hit with a $2,000 annual carbon tax?
"They're begging to be scammed. We might as well get some too." Righto!
And the Union of Concerned Scientists report on ExxonMobil's funding recipients that came out last week (Snowe and Rockeller jumped the gun on it and thought it was going to come out in November).
"The great storm is coming, but the tide has turned."
Global warming/climate change is a con. Yes, the climate may be changing (very slowly and over hundreds or thousands of years), as it has before many times in the world's past, but the belief that man can do anything about it through laws and taxes is absurd. What was interesting, recently, was how all the global warming 'experts' fled Colorado for the Northeast, where temperatures were more amenable to their claims. Of course, as soon as it gets really cold in the Northeast, they will scamper off to yet another region where their message will seem timely. The longer they can continue their scam, the more people will be drawn into it, out of a need to be "current" or "timely" or "with it" or "politically correct" or "environmentally conscious." As a con, it is a pretty damn good one!
Global warming is all about power and money. Plain + simple.
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