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Trial will debate 2nd Amendment rights
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | January 6, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/10/2007 12:44:45 PM PST by looscnnn

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To: smoketree
Kind of like the militia of ordinary citizens that fought the most powerful army in the world to gain our independence?????????

Our National Guard.

741 posted on 01/16/2007 3:44:15 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Old Dirty Bastiat
Should the state decide who gets to go to church or who gets to have a jury trial?

A defendant in a small claims action may demand a jury trial in New York, but not in California.

Perhaps you can petition Ginsberg or Souter to seize that power as well.

742 posted on 01/16/2007 3:51:30 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Old Dirty Bastiat
Rights are not assigned or handed out by any government. So let's get that straight from the beginning. Rights are either protected or they're not.

The Bill of Rights, as written by the Founding Fathers, only applied to the federal government. In other words, those rights could not be infringed by the federal government.

The states were free to infinge (and many did), guided only by their state constitution. This is called federalism. Which I favor.

So to answer your question, yes, I believe your rights are protected by your state and should be protected by your state. You, as a citizen, have the most control over a local government.

I do not want five federal justices interpreting the free speech clause of the first amendment and applying that interpretation to all 50 states. Or any other amendment.

"Does the state decide who gets any rights at all, or just the right to keep and bear arms?"

Not "gets rights". When it comes to the the right to keep and bear arms, each state decides whether to protect that right and to what extent they will protect it. The second amendment (which has not been "incorporated") has nothing to do with your individual RKBA.

743 posted on 01/16/2007 5:35:14 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Mojave
Because you need a roommate to share expenses?

No. My wife would object. Just stop beggin' already. This is a drug free household, you'd have to leave your dope in Cali.

744 posted on 01/16/2007 6:45:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Mojave

National Guard is now part of the Army. It is no longer the citizen militia. Sorry...


745 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:43 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Jim should replace you with a shell script.

LOL. A small one would do. 

746 posted on 01/16/2007 7:20:57 AM PST by zeugma (If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.)
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To: Mojave

Did we have a national guard in the 1700's?
We didn't.
The militia is not the national guard.


747 posted on 01/16/2007 7:22:18 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: stm

Nope, not an asshole, just tired of people making up BS about subjects they know nothing about and stirring up crap on the boards. With your comments though, I'd say that you might want to re-evaluate just who is what in this conversation.

Mike


748 posted on 01/16/2007 9:40:32 AM PST by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: Old Dirty Bastiat

I'm not certain that is really the case; it might be that the states and Federales just didn't bother regulating cannon, even though they weren't protected by the 2nd Amendment. Be interesting to see what laws DID govern armed ships in American harbors.

Unfortunately, the Commies figured out that lawyers were more dangerous than armies and used 'em against us.

What we really need is Lawyer Control...


749 posted on 01/17/2007 5:47:51 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: Little Ray

Read the constitution. It provides for calling up the militia to defend against invading armies and navies. It provides for letters of marque and reprisal so that civilians can capture enemy warships. Then read the second amendment. Read the Federalist papers where it's pointed out that no standing army could hope to win against a militia that is similarly armed. Read statements of the founders from the time period when the constitution and the bill of rights were ratified. Their concern was whether the people would always be armed heavily enough to defeat any army on earth (including our own), not that the people might get too many scary weapons. Square that with disarming the people or even placing limits on what weapons they should have. An honest originalist reading of the constitution may lead to the conclusion that we may need an amendment to ban civilian nukes.


750 posted on 01/18/2007 3:21:12 AM PST by Old Dirty Bastiat
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To: Old Dirty Bastiat

How 'bout civilian nukes, chem and bio? I'm willing to take a chance on HE, but NBC is a little long lasting in its effects...


751 posted on 01/18/2007 5:20:52 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: Little Ray

No kidding, NBC is nasty. But, my post was academic; I don't think we really have to worry about the SCOTUS tossing out NBC regulations on 2nd amendment grounds any time soon. Even if they did rule that we needed a constitutional amendment to regulate WMD, I bet we would witness the fastest ratification of a constitutional amendment in history. It might even be ratified before SCOTUS can even grant cert. Besides, no matter what the courts do, Jack Bauer will lay a 24 hour smack-down on any would be terrorist.


752 posted on 01/19/2007 12:31:23 AM PST by Old Dirty Bastiat
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To: Dead Corpse
National Guard is now part of the Army.

And self-appointed fake militia "officers" would flee it, peeing themselves in terror.

753 posted on 01/19/2007 9:56:18 PM PST by Mojave
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To: smoketree
The militia is not the national guard.

The Militia Act of 1903 says it is. Read a book.

754 posted on 01/19/2007 10:00:35 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Oh shut the hell up you hopeless scumbag.


755 posted on 01/19/2007 10:21:12 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

You're so sensitive. Don't be scared.


756 posted on 01/19/2007 10:23:29 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Scared? Of you? Not hardly...


757 posted on 01/19/2007 10:23:49 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Don't let nightmares of the National Guard chasing you ruin your rest.


758 posted on 01/19/2007 10:28:29 PM PST by Mojave
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