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Gen. Caldwell argues we are winning (great read from an NPR guy, no less)
Paradise Post ^ | 1/3/07 | Dick Little

Posted on 01/03/2007 4:17:03 PM PST by pissant

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A good soldier.

1 posted on 01/03/2007 4:17:07 PM PST by pissant
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I am sure he is a good soldier. But American's know when we are winning and when we are losing. We aren't exactly winning in Iraq right now. There is no point in not being honest about it.


2 posted on 01/03/2007 4:21:19 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: pissant; 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; ...

Interesting read


3 posted on 01/03/2007 4:23:20 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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with all due respect, Scott Ritter was saying we had lost the war the day we invaded. Other than reading it in the media, how do "Americans know when we are winning?"


4 posted on 01/03/2007 4:27:13 PM PST by gusopol3
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Scott Ritter is a traitor and most Americans know that.


5 posted on 01/03/2007 4:28:13 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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Woo-hoo! A fair article. Thanks, pissant.
6 posted on 01/03/2007 4:32:32 PM PST by pollyannaish
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I will email Pres. Bush when I am finished to suggest a page on the White House web that will give us the numbers they have about all the good that has been accomplished. Before and after, etc. Also, couldn't this site also have a place for a Progress in Iraq and Afghanistan topic so we could read posts either by soldier or parent or doctor or contractor or teacher, etc.? We talk and read about everything else! :) Thanks!


7 posted on 01/03/2007 4:33:07 PM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: bnelson44

true; but aren't most Americans saying he was right?


8 posted on 01/03/2007 4:34:53 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: pissant
I bet you a dime, many of the reporters that could in the right circumstances embedd as some of the earlier ones did, fear they would have to do an about face. Their masters would not like that. They could lose their jobs.
We have read some articles from early one reporters who once rubbing skin and dirty cloths with our troops fell literally in love with them. All those years of easy, comfortable living, educations at perhaps liberal colleges, was replaced with a deep respect and love for our men and women who put their hides out on the line and don't for the most part complain.
Besides. It is far easier to spend late hours curled up on a sofa in some hotel lounge sipping on whatever, and tapping away at their labtops as the supposed A Rab reporters come in and give them the un-abashed truth each day./sarc off.
9 posted on 01/03/2007 4:35:18 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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I agree the President needs to conduct regular televised addresses touting success in Iraq. But there is a problem: the networks WON'T COVER IT as they HAD TO in WW II. They can claim it's a "political" event and not a "news" event and just not cover it.

Second, whatever mistakes we've made---and I think we need a little more time and space before analyzing those, because often your first impression is wrong---in WW II, neither FDR nor Churchill EVER acknowledged making ANY mistakes while the war was going on. It just didn't happen. The closest we came to that was the Pearl Harbor inquiry that sought to rescue Kimmel and Short.

10 posted on 01/03/2007 4:35:49 PM PST by LS
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Just that we are not winning right now. Not that we can't win. We can win. We just need the right plan, and the President needs to show he can has such a plan and intends on implementing it.


11 posted on 01/03/2007 4:36:16 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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I think we are utterly kicking butt there, and any honest assessment of a WAR situaion would have to agree.

My estimates are that we've killed 60,000 terrorists since 2001 (both Iraq and Afghanistan), probably 300,000 wounded---many of whom will never fight again---and still thousands more permanently deterred from ever taking up a weapon against us.

In terms ow willing young men we have wiped out an entire generation of jihadis, and the long-term impact on the Middle East of their demise will be profound.

12 posted on 01/03/2007 4:37:48 PM PST by LS
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our Executive Branch. It needs to be candid about what s going on and what we are doing to bring this thing to a close. President Roosevelt made many mistakes during World War II.

So did Churchill. We still won.

Great post. A quibble: Roosevelt and Churchill made many mistakes, and they were not candid about them in the least. Properly so. Why telegraph to the enemy what's working and what isn't?

In a war, the President is Commander-in-Chief, and we report to him. It's his job to win, and yes to keep up informed on progress and get out spirits up. But as to his mistakes, those should be classified info until the war is over.

That is, if you want our side to win. The press doesn't (or they think they don't), so their only interest is admissions of failure. I agree the Prez needs to confidently update the people, over the heads of the mediots.

13 posted on 01/03/2007 4:38:12 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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Gen. Caldwell told KPAY American troops are concentrating on putting an Iraqi Army together Iraqis can be proud of and support.

As you say, "A good soldier."

Then, we have Richard "Howdy Doody" Lugar, who yesterday came out against training the Iraqi military if it just makes them better killers!

14 posted on 01/03/2007 4:39:26 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: LS
We aren't kicking butt. You want to see kicking butt? Look at what Ethiopia just did in Somalia.
15 posted on 01/03/2007 4:39:31 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: gusopol3

Heck, the media was saying we had lost, immediately upon invading Afghanistan, let alone Iraq.

Remember the "brutal Afghan Winter" that was going to eat up our troops?


16 posted on 01/03/2007 4:40:00 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: bnelson44

I disagree. We set out to topple Saddam...we did. We decided to govern Iraq while they wrote a constitution....we did. We decided to help them with their elections...they were successful each time. We said we would train an Iraqi army...they are up to 200,000 men and growing (and in many cases- not all, performing admirably). We said we would continue to stay until the Iraq gov't can run things and defend itself...and we will.

We have accomplished much, and will finish the mission.


17 posted on 01/03/2007 4:43:12 PM PST by pissant
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But American's know when we are winning and when we are losing.

Could you please explain the basis for your naive statement. Most Americans have no clue about what is actually happening in Iraq or any war for that matter.

18 posted on 01/03/2007 4:45:05 PM PST by USMA '71
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Would anyone who posts good news please ping me? I'm am collecting links for good news, and proof of wmds. I will compile and post these lists at some point.

Dan


19 posted on 01/03/2007 4:48:42 PM PST by xmission
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To: USMA '71
Could you please explain the basis for your naive statement. Most Americans have no clue about what is actually happening in Iraq or any war for that matter. Could you please explain the basis for your naive statement. Most Americans have no clue about what is actually happening in Iraq or any war for that matter.

It isn't a naive statement. We see what is happening every day. Most people I talk to are very patriotic but also very frustrated that we are not making progress. My son just came back from Baqubah and pretty much echoed the reports that are hitting the news this week about the place. We need to face facts: we are not winning in Iraq, the American public either wants us to win or get out. Most of us know that getting out is not an option. It is time that Bush made some McClellan decisions, and fast. I only hope and pray, he has it in him to do so.

20 posted on 01/03/2007 4:50:42 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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