Tele-evangelist sued over 'God can heal' claim (Darlene Bishop)

scary looking = guilty.

So then, if the cancer in us does no harm, and we feel good our entire life, then can it be said God has healed us of cancer, not once to but continuously?

Well, belief in an all-powerful God also leads to wondering why this God has chosen to afflict all of us with traces of this incredibly painful, often deadly disease which he chose to create or allow to come into being, though only some of us will feel the full effects.

Makes more sense to me to not worry about God at all and get all the medical treatment I can afford if I've been diagnosed with cancer. People doing science and practicing medicine will cure this disease eventually, as they've cured other diseases. Faith in God might serve as a source of moral support during illness, but depending solely on it to cure physical ailments is dangerous and foolhardy.

According to Christianity, it is not God who has inflicted us with suffering, but that comes from our own sin. What is a wonder is why God allows suffering to those who seemly have done nothing wrong, but who are we to judge others or why God allows suffering to continue for them or us once wse have repented and changed of from our wrong headed ways?

As for being foolhardy to not seek a doctors support when terminal, or advanced cases, again who are we to judge, If God wants somebody to have a doctor in their life’s or not? Who are we to judge somebody else's decision?

Maybe people say, fine if they make their own decision, but its not right to have evangelists out for their own greed or whomever guide those who may be ill and in emotional state to be taken advantage of. Sure there are a lot of false prophets, I agree, but not all are bad, just like there are good and bad doctors. That is why we need a close network of friends preferably those with the same faith as ours to help in these cases, this is where prayer comes in.

I can only say for myself, if cancer ever reaches an advanced stage where it is out of control, I am not sure I would continue on with a doctor, after seeing my spouse with cancer essentially experimented on by doctors, who would park their big expensive cars in the front space of the clinic while we had to wheel chair in from the parking lot across the street and then only to have lived a short life miserably.

Statistics show that ones lifespan will be shortened with today’s cancer "treatment", even if they are so called cured. It is not obvious which is the best course of action for every individual. So I have to disagree that it is foolhardy to solely trust in God during an illness such as cancer, as it should be an individual decision a person makes, and only they know the consequences, and have the right to peruse how they die, either quickly or prolonged living with the side effects of the so called “treatments” and consequently a shortened lifespan for many advanced cancers anyhow.

According to Christianity, it is not God who has inflicted us with suffering, but that comes from our own sin. What is a wonder is why God allows suffering to those who seemly have done nothing wrong, but who are we to judge others or why God allows suffering to continue for them or us once wse have repented and changed of from our wrong headed ways?

Who do we need to be? This is an aspect of Christianity and other religions I find very objectionable - the notion that the horrible things that happen to us beyond our control are somehow our moral fault. Children currently born with HIV and the pre-teens crippled by polio for most of man's history are all innocent of any moral failings deserving that kind of punishment.

As for being foolhardy to not seek a doctors support when terminal, or advanced cases, again who are we to judge, If God wants somebody to have a doctor in their life’s or not? Who are we to judge somebody else's decision?

Again, who do we need to be? If the parent of a child or the adult child of a dependent parent refuses to get medical care for their seriously ill ward and depends on faith to heal them, they are endangering the person who is their responsibility and society as a whole needs to condemn this as we condemn other crimes of negligence.

I find very objectionable - the notion that the horrible things that happen to us beyond our control are somehow our moral fault

I am not suggesting that things beyond our control are our fault; I think this is a semantic of original sin that is ends up in rhetoric. What is being suggested is that we have done things and we do things continually not knowing the consequences and that this is not harmonious with our life our others. Wouldn’t it be rather presumptuous of a person to say they are righteous of all they do in this life?

Now, the mystery of what we did before we were born, is unknown so I agree it could be a modest conclusion to draw that we are born innocent because we have no recollection of the past. But there is still the possibility we are not innocent, we did something but we just have no memory of before life beyond the womb, and if so, then that explains suffering, because otherwise there is no explanation.

If the parent of a child or the adult child of a dependent parent refuses to get medical care for their seriously ill ward and depends on faith to heal them, they are endangering the person who is their responsibility and society as a whole needs to condemn this as we condemn other crimes of negligence.

Agreed, there are some cases where cures are known to be successful, and in rare cases parents of devote religious following refuse to administer. Depending on the circumstances, each case being different, I agree that crimes of child negligence could be possible.

Cancer now is the leading cause of death among adults. So the personal decision for continuing seeing a doctor's experimental regiments when an adult is terminally ill as the common dilemma that we make with cancers that have no cure, happens far more often than the occasional decisions to be made about what to be done with childhood cancers that specifically may have responded to treatments. It is clear this article is about an adult, but there are still questions of the specifics for the adult too.

In this article here, it is a pastor who claims that God heals of cancer, but nobody ever suggests that God or a belief in Christianity will prevent us from physically dying, physical healing in this case or any case is temporary while we are here on this earth that should be a no brainier. Spiritual healing is eternal.

Other questions, is it clear the person discontinued treatment because of the pastor’s claim? Did this person see a doctor also? Or had this person relied solely on prayer? If in a hypothetical case, and this paster was not involved but only doctors care was administered wouldn't the person eventually die someday of the cancer or the side effects of the treatment had they continued with a doctors regiment, then could it be said that doctors do not really heal, in the long run as the same case as prayer?

It is documented that most people do not live out normal life spans after cancer treatment, should that also be considered fraud too on behalf of the scientific community that claims some cancers are treatable?

Is it possible that either the pastor or doctor or both in this case gave advise on behalf of their own greed? Yes, all things are possible, and one explanation of the strife from this sad story is that the consequences of any of these possibilities ultimately point to our own self , not others, otherwise there can be no reason to the random choosing of suffering.

Who do we need to be?

Somebody who receives from God what he has already done to solve the problem of our imperfection, and then thank him for it. ...IMHO

But there is still the possibility we are not innocent, we did something but we just have no memory of before life beyond the womb, and if so, then that explains suffering

Is this just? To be born into a new life suffering because of something done before that life began? This sounds very like the Hindu concept of karma, which assigns happiness or suffering in the current life based on the actions committed in the previous life - such beliefs turn into a way to blame people for the impersonal misfortunes that befall them.

In this article here, it is a pastor who claims that God heals of cancer, but nobody ever suggests that God or a belief in Christianity will prevent us from physically dying, physical healing in this case or any case is temporary while we are here on this earth that should be a no brainier. Spiritual healing is eternal.

Plenty of people do claim that faith can provide physical healing, however, which is the problem. It may be that faith in God or any belief system that helps the patient maintain a positive outlook can have a positive effect on our health, but relying on this as a treatment for physical ailments is, again, dangerous and foolhardy.

Only the Christian religion suggests we must first admit our shortcomings and that we need God to forgive us, no other realign believes this, which sets Christianity apart from others. I only suggested that as a result of what happened before the womb might be a part of our fallen nature, but perhaps this is not the Christian view, More like we were born with free will which often leads us away from God, and into sin, could just even be our thoughts, however young and innocent we may seem to be. A healthy spirit is one that is being healed and reunited to God and often leads to a healthy life, but not always, since life will eventually fade, no matter how spiritual we are, but life as we know it isn’t all there is.

Is this this Just? Not sure what is meant by the question since its not a matter to question if faith is wrong or right, faith is a personal choice and should be more a question of believing not. Obviously some do not believe in the Christian ways, but that’s OK since Christianity is very tolerant, and accepts that it is a matter of choice, we cannot be forced to love God, and like the prodigal Son, God will wait until we do come, and with joy will accept us with celebration when we do.

If anybody believes that physical healing can prevent death either as a result of religion or science then they have blind faith agreed. But for those who see death coming, sooner or later, it is suggested that is not foolhardy to pick and choose how one lives the rest of their days on this earth.