The Balkan Islamic Jihad: A Pan-European calamity

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007.shtml ^

[lqclamar]

Good stuff. Zimmy and the muslim apologists have been countering evidence of the muslim nazis by claiming that the majority of the SS consisted of Christians. Here is what Hitler himself said on that subject:

"I have six divisions of SS composed of men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn't prevent them from going to their deaths with serenity in their souls."

[Hoplite]

First, thousands of ethnic Albanian muslims fought along side the muslim Kosovars in Hitler's 21st SS Skanderbeg. So they're certainly part of the calculation.

The Croats were the most enthusiastic pro-Nazis in the Balkans. I've already pointed out to you that they were co-belligerents amongst the Axis powers, but you choose to still contest the issue as if simple repetition of the word "Skanderbeg" were sufficient counterpoint.

It isn't. And there's no further point in debating the subject with one unwilling to tailor their opinion based upon the facts, rather than excluding those facts which don't suit their opinion.

Sorry, but I don't consider Wikipedia a reliable source.

I could at this point chase down the relevant quotes elsewhere, but there really doesn't seem to be much point in it. Nazi Germany was a Christian nation, and it was Christians who perpetrated the Holocaust. Attempting to make it appear as if the Muslims out-Nazi'd the Nazis is simple foolishness - the only folks I'm aware of that the Germans recoiled from for taking things too far were the Croats, in their war against their Orthodox bretheren.

[zimdog]

6/38 = ?

[zimdog]

well said

[jerryem]

These moronic idiots, sorry Muslims are always talking about Allah's enemy's, (I presume this is the moon god Allah ) if there god is so powerful, why the hell don't he do his own dirty work?

[lqclamar]

I'm putting together a list of all the Nazi units with Muslim recruits. Troop totals are available for the better known ones like the Handschar Division. There were several lesser known central asian units who fought on the Soviet front. I found their units listed in several military histories of the Nazi regime including Die Waffen-SS. Eine Dokumentation by Kurt-Georg Klietmann, 1966; Gebirgsjager by Gordon Williamson, 2003; and Hitler's Renegages: Foreign Nationals in the Service of the Third Reich by Christopher Ailsby, 2004

- 13th Waffen-SS Handschar - all muslim Bosnian division (21,000 men)

- 21st Waffen-SS Skanderbeg - muslim Kosovar and ethnic Albanian division (9,000 men, majority muslim)

- 23rd Waffen-SS Kama - Croat and Bosnian muslim division (3,793 men according to Ailsby, majority muslim)

- Waffengruppe "Krim" - Chechen muslim unit listed in Klietmann (number unknown)

- Osttürkischer Waffen-Verband - east european and turkish muslim unit listed in Williamson(number unknown)

- Deutsche Arabisches Infantry Battalion No. 845 - colonial unit consisting of Algerian, Syrian, Saudi, Palestinian, and Iraqi muslim volunteers formed in April 1942 (6,300 according to Ailsby)

- Phalange Africana - north African arab militia unit that assisted Rommel (400 according to Ailsby)

- Deutsche Arabische Lehrarbteillung - Arab unit formed from Phalange Africana, Inf. Bat. 845, and other Arab-muslim units in 1943. Fought British near the Gulf of Hammamet.

- Freiwilligen-Stamm Regiment 1 - Georgian, Turk, and Central asian regiment (number and percent muslim unknown)

- Freiwilligen-Stamm Regiment 1 - Armenian and Azerbaijani regiment (number and percent muslim unknown)

- 162nd Infantry "Turkoman Division" - muslim turkistani unit listed in Ailsby (number unknown)

- Osttürkischer Waffen-Verband der SS - Turkish and Arab unit (number unknown). Insignia:

950th Infantry Regiment "Indian" - Indian, Pakastani, and Central Asian unit, in Ailsby (3,000 men total - 516 sikh, 1,600 muslim, and 900 hindu)

- Iraqi Army of Rashid Ali al-Kilani - Nazi-backed muslim Iraqi insurgency against the British-backed government of Iraq in 1941. The British took 10,000 casualties from Kilani's troops in suppressing the uprising, (total number who served unknown)

Heinrich Himmler's Order on the privileges of muslim troops:

All Moslem members of the Waffen-SS and police are to be afforded the undeniable right of their religious demands never to touch pork, pork sausages nor to drink alcohol. In all cases, a diet of equal value will be assured to them.

I hold all commanders, company commanders and other SS officers, especially those officers and NCOs involved with economic administration, responsible for the most scrupulous and loyal respect for this privilege especially granted to the Moslems.

They have answered the call of the Moslem chiefs and have come to us out of hatred for the common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy and through respect and fidelity for he who they respect above all, the Fuehrer Adolf Hitler.

I do not wish that through the folly and narrowness of mind of an isolated person, a single one of the tens of thousands of these brave volunteers and their families should suffer from ill humor and feel deprived of the rights which have been granted to them. The meddling frugality of administration - which there is in so many cases - can only do more harm than good.

I therefore command that every breach of my order shall be taken with neither compromise nor consideration, punished and reported to me.

Moreover, I forbid the jokes and facetious remarks about the Moslem volunteers which are so much enjoyed in groups of comrades. There will no longer be the least discussion about the special rights afforded to the Moslems in these circles.

Heil Hitler!
H. Himmler
August 6, 1943

[lqclamar]

The Croats were the most enthusiastic pro-Nazis in the Balkans.

That assertion is simply not supported by the numbers or anything you've cited. There were Croat Nazi units and Croat Partisan units, but the only muslim units were Nazi. Muslim members of the three Balkan nazi units outnumbered all other Balkan groups and ethnicities. Muslims were even a majority in the 23rd SS Kama - the largest Croat unit.

[lqclamar]

Nazi Germany was a Christian nation,

Then why did Hitler call Christianity "an invention of sick brains" when he was its Fuehrer?

[Hoplite]

That assertion is simply not supported by the numbers or anything you've cited.

Of course not - the fact that Croatia was part of the Axis itself is irrelevant.

the only muslim units were Nazi

This so soon after I brought your attention to the Albanian Partisans - you demonstrate an excellent ability to ignore that which you find inconvenient to your argument, and it is that quality which renders your arguments worthless.

Try to figure it out, m'kay?

[lqclamar]

This so soon after I brought your attention to the Albanian Partisans

Albania was invaded by Italy.

[lqclamar]

Ping to #186 for a list of Hitler's muslim units.

[Hoplite]

Albania was invaded by Italy.

So was Greece.

Was there an actual point you were hoping to make by pointing this out?

If so, what was it?

[kronos77]

Yes there is.
Actualy Italians saved number of Jews and Serbs from massacre comited my Croates, Germans and Albanians from kosovo.
Albania was occupied by Italy and Italian soldiers and regime saved a number of Serbs and Jews in Croatia and Albania.

[lqclamar]

So was Greece. Was there an actual point you were hoping to make by pointing this out?

Yeah. That the Albanians were fighting a different invader than the rest of the Balkans. I should also probably point out that the Albanian resistance under stalinist Enver Hoxha was officially atheist.

Hitler's muslim SS units, by contrast, were...well...officially muslim. They had muslim crescents and slogans on their uniforms, prayed to mecca 5 times a day, ate muslim prepared meals, and travelled with imams - all sanctioned, supported, and paid for by the Reich.

[Hoplite]

Albania was occupied by Italy

Until 1943, which saw the Germans occupy key ports and cities in July, and then intern the Italian Army and fully occupy the country in September, with the last German unit departing via a fighting withdrawal in January of '45.

[lqclamar]

More Muslim Nazi and other central Asia patches:

Crescent dagger pin given to Nazis from the caucases and the 'stan countries.

[lqclamar]

More Muslim Nazi and other central Asia patches:

Crescent dagger pin given to Nazis from the caucases and the 'stan countries.

[kronos77]

And that period is period of most vicious prosecutions of Serbs and Jews in Croatia, Kosovo and Albania

[Hoplite]

And that period is period of most vicious prosecutions of Serbs and Jews in Croatia, Kosovo and Albania

And this is relevant, in light of Albania's still having more Jews than when it started the war, how?

Further, is Jasenovac now considered to have commenced operation only after the Italians surrendered in 1943, or is your abysmal ignorance of such an important part of Serbian history really so gross? The Italians did what they could for the Jews and Serbs, but they weren't in any position to protect the vast majority of the Ustashe's victims in the NDH, most of whom met their barbarous fates long before the Italian surrender.

[lqclamar]

Do you ever make a post that does not include a derogatory remark about the intelligence or education of the person you are responding to?

I ask because FR has rules against attacks of that sort...and also because I find humor in the irony of these statements coming from a guy who posts links to Wikipedia as "proof" of something.