Posted on 12/29/2006 9:42:16 PM PST by Coleus
Gotta read/pingout.
Thus each man tries to flee from himself, but to that self, from which of course he can never escape, he clings against his will, and hates it, because he is a sick man that does not know the cause of his complaint.
Lucretius, De Rerum Natura 3.1068
What about good buds? Can I get analagous benefits for a good bud? It's not fair to discriminate against good bud relationships.
Gee, I dunno, as a conservative, I may want to support this gay marriage thing. After all, if enough same-sex marriages get to experience the joys of the marriage penalty tax, their anger may be enough to get it repealed!!
We sure know that making conservatives angry over the marriage penalty tax doesn't carry much weight with politicians. Maybe having an army of screaming gays in their faces after they discover the marriage penalty tax will get them to finally take action to end the marriage penalty!!!
It couldn't hurt, at this point!
In a word: that's a bad idea; oh and the author is correct that is "maddness"!
Sorry. I forgot to add the "/dripping sarc" tag for you.
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Here's the quotes:
From LA Times of March 12: ...
"Divided over gay marriage" by Roy Rivenburg Paula Ettelbrick, a law professor who runs the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, recommends legalizing a wide variety of marriage alternatives, including polyamory, or group wedlock. An example could include a lesbian couple living with a sperm-donor father, or a network of men and women who share sexual relations.
One aim, she says, is to break the stranglehold that married heterosexual couples have on health benefits and legal rights. The other goal is to "push the parameters of sex, sexuality and family, and in the process transform the very fabric of society." ... [snip]
An excerpt from: In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda:
"Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine (Dec/Jan 1994):
"A middle ground might be to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution... The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake --and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the notion of family entirely."
"Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us."
Chris Crain, the editor of the Washington Blade has stated that all homosexual activists should fight for the legalization of same-sex marriage as a way of gaining passage of federal anti-discrimination laws that will provide homosexuals with federal protection for their chosen lifestyle.
Crain writes: "...any leader of any gay rights organization who is not prepared to throw the bulk of their efforts right now into the fight for marriage is squandering resources and doesn't deserve the position." (Washington Blade, August, 2003).
Andrew Sullivan, a homosexual activist writing in his book, Virtually Normal, says that once same-sex marriage is legalized, heterosexuals will have to develop a greater "understanding of the need for extramarital outlets between two men than between a man and a woman."
He notes: "The truth is, homosexuals are not entirely normal; and to flatten their varied and complicated lives into a single, moralistic model is to miss what is essential and exhilarating about their otherness." (Sullivan, Virtually Normal, pp. 202-203)
Paula Ettelbrick, a law professor and homosexual activist has said:
"Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so. . Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family; and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society. . We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society's view of reality." (partially quoted in "Beyond Gay Marriage," Stanley Kurtz, The Weekly Standard, August 4, 2003)
Evan Wolfson has stated:
"Isn't having the law pretend that there is only one family model that works (let alone exists) a lie? . marriage is not just about procreation-indeed is not necessarily about procreation at all. "(quoted in "What Marriage Is For," by Maggie Gallagher, The Weekly Standard, August 11, 2003)
Mitchel Raphael, editor of the Canadian homosexual magazine Fab, says:
"Ambiguity is a good word for the feeling among gays about marriage. I'd be for marriage if I thought gay people would challenge and change the institution and not buy into the traditional meaning of 'till death do us part' and monogamy forever. We should be Oscar Wildes and not like everyone else watching the play." (quoted in "Now Free To Marry, Canada's Gays Say, 'Do I?'" by Clifford Krauss, The New York Times, August 31, 2003)
1972 Gay Rights Platform Demands: "Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit."
[Also among the demands was the elimination of all age of consent laws.]
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Thanks for the ping, but I didn't think this was all that good of an article.
The part that I didn't like was that it was based on a faulty premise: that there are significant legal and practical benefits conferred to married couples. Perhaps that was the case some time ago, but the reality is that there just aren't that many legal or practical benefits conferred to married couples these days. The trend is actually the other way. Particularly with regards to tax policy.
I think we should quit giving rise to this idea that marriage has many practical or legal benefits, and instead acknowledge that the lack of practical advantage is contributing to a rise in both illegitimacy and cohabitation. We're rapidly approaching an America where the only couples who will choose marriage are those who are either deeply religious, or who want the legitimacy that they think marraiage convokes (e.g. homosexuals).
You can't fix a problem unless you're willing to acknowledge that there actually is one.
The article didn't cover every argument against homosexual marriage, but IMO did what it did well. Covered in brief the damage to children, which is important to remember.
Have you ever read any of Stanley Kurtz' articles? A few have been pinged out in the past. He's one of the best, do a search if you haven't read of his. He writes very comprehensive, well-researched articles that dismantle the "gay" agenda, in particular, marriage.
My personal opinion is that many things are so FUBAR that it's going to take some major - shakeups, who knows what - to jar loose the hardended madness that currently passes for normal.
Oh, and Happy New Year!
A Pysc MD, who is conservative and believes in the death penalty, believes that the children from these so called marriages will be walking time bombs for our society.
This author does a great job of summarizing these realities:
"Deprived of Models
The same cannot be said for the few homosexual households with children. The conditions that are universally recognized as extremely beneficial to the child in traditional marriage are patently absent in same-sex unions. When not adopted, the child will necessarily be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model. The number of siblings or half-siblings is necessarily reduced.
Same-sex relationships, which developed from a lack of moral restraint toward social norms and fidelity, cannot guarantee the same moral atmosphere of harmony crucial to the moral development of children. Moreover, any children inside such unions must adapt to sectors of the populations that suffer from abnormally high levels of health problems, infectious social diseases, mental health problems, alcoholism, drug use, suicide rates, domestic abuse, child abuse and pedophilia. In the absence of long-term studies, no one knows all the effects of such abnormal conditions on the development of the child. In effect, these children are being made the guinea pigs of a cruel social experiment."
Equality in all things.
The question is which one of the same-sex couple is the man? One of them has to be the man so that the court will know who has to pay alimony, child support and the bills, and who will get the house, kids, dogs and van.
I liked those parts especially, myself. A very egregious example is those lesbians - one of which did everything she could to make sure her child was deaf! Remember that one? Purposely having a deaf child?!?!
People don't treat their pets that cruelly.
Happy New Year to you as well! When I get the chance, I'll search one of the articles mentioned.
I don't doubt that there is a more sinister agenda out there. The culture of death has always been that way. Unfortunately, we tend to approach the culture of death from a weak defensive position instead of a strong offensive position. Contrast the defensive position of aptly titled "defense of marriage" ballot initiatives to a more aggressive posture that says; what, only 1,049 benefits? Thanks for bringing this to our attention! We'll work harder to make sure that there are at least 2,000 in two years. Oh, and while we're at it, let's start focusing on the high societal costs incurred by the unmarried.
As for the hardened madness, we conservatives bear a lot of the blame. We're the complacent, sleeping giant that can't seem to be awakened. My fear is that in time, the demographics are going to catch up with those of us in the west. And that is going to be All She Wrote.
I agree.
"The best have lost all conviction,
While the worst are full of passionate intensity."
Maybe not exact words, but close enough.
Spinelessness and lack of courage in reality equal ill motives. Because the result is the same.
"The best have lost all conviction, While the worst are full of passionate intensity."
Interesting quote. Where is it from?
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