Russia: Nostalgia For USSR Increases

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty ^ | December 23, 2006 | By Victor Yasmann

[A. Pole]

And as for my culture - by now I am multilingual and truly multicultural [not in the contemporary bastardized sense of the word], civilizationally - a Westerner by conscious adoption.

Your statement strikes me as distinctly Russian :)

[GSlob]

I am trying to speak with everyone using their language as far as I'm able to do so.

[A. Pole]

"in Germany ... the Communism was suppressed by Fascism"

The first Communist takeover -- the Bavarian free state -- was put down by Weimar.

A little time lines (from Wikipedia):

March 1919 Adolf Hitler finishes job of guarding Russian prisoners. 
April 6 and April 7, 1919 Bavaria declared a Soviet Republic. 
April 14, 1919 Freikorps suppress Communists in Dresden. 
April 18, 1919 Freikorps suppress Communists in Brunswick. Also: 
Battle of the Bavarian governments at Dachau. Communists defeat republican forces. 
April 27, 1919 Battle for Munich between Communists and Freikorps units. 
April 29, 1919 German representatives arrive in Paris. 
May 1, 1919 Communist defences at Munich breached. 
May 2, 1919 City of Munich taken; not declared secure until May 6th; aprox. 1200 Communists killed. 
May 10, 1919 Freikorps suppress communists in Leipzig. 

Weimar Republic took credit for the suppression of the Communist Revolution, but would never succeed without activity of the volunteers and proto-Fascists in Freikorps, paramilitary organizations of veterans etc ... German version of Fascism grew out of this milieu.

The struggle did not end in 1919, but continued until Nazi takeover in many political skirmishes, street fights, acts of intimidation, competition for the followers (many former Communists change the allegiance to from Red to Brown) etc ...

The forces of Weimar Republic were demoralized and disorganized, undermined from the left and right.

You can find some descriptions in Mein Kampf.

The right wing forces defeated Communists in Spain thanks to the help from Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

[hinckley buzzard]

There are more appropriate comparisons actually available in history, among them the loss of empire by the Persians, who still resent it, and the Turks(Ottomans), not to mention the French and some atavistic Germans. People tend to identify with the strength of their country and when their country is emasculated they tend to take it personally.

Nostalgia for those good old days is nothing new or unusual.

[A. Pole]

I am trying to speak with everyone using their language as far as I'm able to do so.

I know little Russian but it not my language. But I am familiar with the Russian tradition of hyper-Westerners, who "managed" to shed their Russian character and become more Western than any ACTUAL Westerner could ever be.

You see, the real Westerners always have some roots and identity, they can be English from Yorkshire, or Welsh or southern French speaking Languedoc, they are Flemish Catholic or Orthodox Serbs or Reformed Swiss.

Perhaps they are of mixed origin, some of them get uprooted and then can ascend to the lofty status of cosmopolitan nihilist with a cosmic mission. In the last undertaking XIX Russians managed to be first. :)

[GSlob]

In a country with a nomadic population like the United States, the notion of "roots" is rather tenuous and does not extend much beyond the major regions like "Southerner". So, the proper "roots" I will acquire in retirement, when I will finally choose a location and settle down in it. Till that time I am a generic Westerner. Further speciation could be left to the succeeding generation.

[A. Pole]

Till that time I am a generic Westerner.

But you believe in your genetics. Do you have Russian accent, or did you lose it too?

[kronos77]

lets ask Ukrainians... which half? Half of them are pro-Russian

[tgambill]

Just a tidbit of factual history......

Quote: "A Bolshevik victory, financed by American Bankers, guaranteed preferential treatment for John D. Rockefeller, and world domination of the oil business" at that time. This started the Russian reign of terror, financed and supported by us....

Quote: from U.S. News & World Report, March 13, 1967 page 67

"The government of Alexander Kerensky, an interim government between the Czar and Lenin, received support provately from industry in America. It was hinted that this financial support came from the same Americans and American banks that had supported Lenin 1n 1905".

The reason for such large cash gifts to the Bolshevik cause was simple. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company has seen an international competitor surface. The source of all this oil ....The Baku oil fields, Caspian Sea, Russia. Russia's Czar Nicholas II invited the European partnership of Rothschild and Nobel to develop his oil fields, and even constructed a railroad for their use. (Collier, Peter & David Horowitz, "The Rockefellers; An American Dynasty. hold, Rinehart & Winston, New York, 1976, Page 40)

In other words, The history books are full of it...in truth, the people wanted the Czar to remain as ruler. The media and history books are wrong. Our money provided the funding necessary for the beginning of the most despotic government of all history. I have a problem with that. Then guess who takes the communist out later.....yep...

Quote:

"Finally, lest this explanation seem too radical, remember that it was Trotsky who appointed tsarist generals to consolidate the Red Army; that it was Trotsky who appealed for American officers to control revolutionary Russia and intervene in behalf of the Soviets; that it was Trotsky who squashed first the libertarian element in the Russian Revolution and then the workers and peasants; and that recorded history totally ignores the 700,000-man Green Army composed of ex-Bolsheviks, angered at betrayal of the revolution, who fought the Whites and the Reds. In other words, we are suggesting that the Bolshevik Revolution was an alliance of statists: statist revolutionaries and statist financiers aligned against the genuine revolutionary libertarian elements in Russia.3

'The question now in the readers' minds must be, were these bankers also secret Bolsheviks? No, of course not. The financiers were without ideology. It would be a gross misinterpretation to assume that assistance for the Bolshevists was ideologically motivated, in any narrow sense. The financiers were power-motivated and therefore assisted any political vehicle that would give them an entree to power: Trotsky, Lenin, the tsar, Kolchak, Denikin — all received aid, more or less. All, that is, but those who wanted a truly free individualist society.

Neither was aid restricted to statist Bolsheviks and statist counter-Bolsheviks. John P. Diggins, in Mussolini and Fascism: The View from America,4 has noted in regard to Thomas Lamont of Guaranty Trust that

Of all American business leaders, the one who most vigorously patronized the cause of Fascism was Thomas W. Lamont. Head of the powerful J.P. Morgan banking network, Lamont served as something of a business consultant for the government of Fascist Italy."

quote:

"In 1910 Carnegie donated $10 million to found the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and among those on the board of trustees were Elihu Root (Root Mission to Russia, 1917), Cleveland H. Dodge (a financial backer of President Wilson), George W. Perkins (Morgan partner), G. J. Balch (AIC and Amsinck), R. F. Herrick (AIC), H. W. Pritchett (AIC), and other Wall Street luminaries. Woodrow Wilson came under the powerful influence of — and indeed was financially indebted to — this group of internationalists. As Jennings C. Wise has written, "Historians must never forget that Woodrow Wilson... made it possible for Leon Trotsky to enter Russia with an American passport."12...

...it appears to be the foreign counterpart of Carroll Quigley's claim that J.P. Morgan infiltrated the domestic left. Morgan also infiltrated the international left....

Ludwig Martens, the Soviet's first ambassador, had been vice president of Weinberg & Posner, which was also located at 120-Broadway. Guaranty Trust Company was next door at 140 Broadway...


It is significant that support for the Bolsheviks did not cease with consolidation of the revolution.... The American-Russian syndicate formed in 1918 to obtain concessions in Russia was backed by the White, Guggenheim, and Sinclair interests. Directors of companies controlled by these three financiers included Thomas W. Lamont (Guaranty Trust), William Boyce Thompson (Federal Reserve Bank).... This strongly suggests that the syndicate was formed to cash in on earlier support for the Bolshevik cause in the revolutionary period. And then we found that Guaranty Trust financially backed the Soviet Bureau in New York in 1919."

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Oh they forgot to mention, we also provided him with $10,000 dollars cash upon his exit from the U.S.

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/wall_street_bolshevik.htm

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[tgambill]

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html


http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

[Tailgunner Joe]

The only time when Russia and Germany were enemies was WWI and WWII. USA was on the same side as Russia.

We were on the same side as the Soviets, you mean. Russian nationalists tell me that Russia had nothing to do with the Soviets. Shouldn't Russians resent us for supporting the non-Russian Soviets against Russia?

[Tailgunner Joe]

When FDR was elected FOUR times was it a sign of despotism?

Yes. As soon as the tyrant died we changed the constitution to keep this from ever happening again.