Posted on 12/22/2006 4:53:04 PM PST by Coleus
"The cell line used in this study (HB1.F3.C1) was derived from fetal telencephalon cells..."
I used to think awhile back that St. Jude's was a Catholic hospital...How wrong I was. It's private, and uses St. Jude of Thaddeus' name. I wonder how many Catholics out there erroniously donate to it, thinking their money will not be funding things like embryonic stem cell research.
From their mehods..."The HB1.F3.C1 cell line is a multipotent, cloned cell line that was generated by immortalizing cells obtained from the telencephalon of a human fetus of 15 weeks’ gestation, using a retrovirus encoding the v-myc gene [17,23]. The primary cells were obtained in accordance with the Guidelines of the Anatomical Pathology Department of Vancouver General Hospital, with permission to use fetal tissue granted by the Clinical Research Screening Committee Involving Human Subjects of the University of British Columbia. HB1.F3.C1 is an established, well-characterized, stable cell line [23–27]. HB1...."
Does any of the information you have indicate how these cells were obtained? Specifically, do you know if the fetal tissue was available to researchers as the result of being intentionally aborted?
"The cell line used in this study (HB1.F3.C1) was derived from fetal telencephalon cells..."
>I used to think awhile back that St. Jude's was a Catholic hospital...How wrong I was. It's private, and uses St. Jude of Thaddeus' name. I wonder how many Catholics out there erroniously donate to it, thinking their money will not be funding things like embryonic stem cell research.
These were not embryonic stem cells. >>>
right, they are fetal cells from a 15-week-old aborted baby.
Payment and Charges
"St. Jude provides medical care to its patients at no cost to the patient or the patient's family. If you have insurance, St. Jude will bill that insurance company or other third-party payers for medical services provided by the hospital. You are required to help St. Jude comply with the insurance company's needs. Even so, you will pay no co-pays or deductibles. ALSAC will cover all direct costs of St. Jude medical care not covered by insurance or third-party payers.
ALSAC was founded for the purpose of supporting St. Jude. If you do not have insurance, you will be referred to our MedAssist office to see if we can find insurance coverage for your child. If you have questions about payment, charges, or insurance, talk with a staff mmember in Patient Registration".
God Bless Them..sw
I read all that, but not being a scientist, understand very little of it. There seems to be no way of knowing how this fetal issue was obtained. At any rate, these are not FETAL stem cells, therefore it seems there is no restriction on their use.
Actually St. Jude's was started by Danny Thomas, a devout Catholic, but has no formal ties with the Catholic church.
>aborted baby
Source?
Source? >>
check the pdf link from the artile.
>>check the pdf link from the artile.
I did. It does not say aborted.
Actually, the stem cells were harvested from an intentionally aborted 15 week old alive (at one time) baby in fetal age. The cells were fetal stem cells, cells destined to become different tissues in the brain/nervous system of a child purposely aborted (for what purpose I do not know, probably just to relieve the woman of life support responsibilities).
How do you KNOW that?
"There seems to be no way of knowing how this fetal issue was obtained." Read 'The primary cells were obtained in accordance with the Guidelines of the Anatomical Pathology Department of Vancouver General Hospital, with permission to use fetal tissue granted by the Clinical Research Screening Committee Involving Human Subjects of the University of British Columbia.' Pathology dept. harvests tissues from aborted children for research programs. The key is 'pathology', though in this instance the 'pathology dept.' is not looking for a cause of death.
That does not mean they were from aborted fetuses. It may be that they were from miscarried fetuses. That does happen from time to time, you know.
Do you actually care one way or the other? Or are you just being argumentative as usual? You could satisfy your curiosity (if you care) by going to the website for the org whose 'pathology committee' approved the harvesting protocols that netted the fetal cells which were 'immortalized' then used for these research exercises. But then, I suspect you don't care if the babies were aborted or died of natural causes so long as 'their tissues were not wasted'.
I did. It does not say aborted. >>>
then you must really be in the dark.
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