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Secret John Lennon Files Released By FBI
ClickonDetroit ^ | December 20, 2006 | AP

Posted on 12/20/2006 5:52:03 AM PST by ShadowDancer

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To: ShadowDancer

"nothing indicating government officials considered the former Beatle a serious threat"

Smoking dope don't make you much of threat.


61 posted on 12/20/2006 7:56:24 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: highball
What exactly do you think the FBI should have done about Pelosi?

It is not a matter of what I think the FBI should have done about Pelosi, it is what I think the FBI should be doing about Pelosi and others like her. I think it is naive of our Government or even citizens, to believe socialists are not a threat to this Government.

Any known Socialists/Communist/Marxists, whatever - should be actively investigated and watched continuously to ensure the safety of this Country and our secrets.

Espionage and fraternization with the enemy does exists, and I'd bet it exists at pretty high levels, such as Speaker and Senator. Meanwhile, we stand idly by because the FBI is not allowed to invade someones privacy.

Just because someone is a government official, does not mean they are LOYAL to our government.

62 posted on 12/20/2006 7:58:36 AM PST by Last Laugh
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I don't understand why the government insisted on keeping this secret for so long. If the Lennon surveillance didn't amount to much, why not just give the author the files when he first asked for them? We overclassify to be honest. Often for embarassment, more than national security. Lennon was a lefty, but not a serious threat. It's embarassing that the FBI spent hundreds or thousands of hours around on bugging, tailing him with our tax dollars. Therefore it is classified. I am for some serious sunshine laws. We still have things classified from the 30's and 40's. There is nothing that we knew back then that is anything other than embarassing. Other than nuclear technology from the Manhattan project, there is nothing "secret" other than embarassing facts. Period.
63 posted on 12/20/2006 7:59:39 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
We overclassify to be honest. Often for embarassment, more than national security. Lennon was a lefty, but not a serious threat. It's embarassing that the FBI spent hundreds or thousands of hours around on bugging, tailing him with our tax dollars. Therefore it is classified. I am for some serious sunshine laws. We still have things classified from the 30's and 40's. There is nothing that we knew back then that is anything other than embarassing. Other than nuclear technology from the Manhattan project, there is nothing "secret" other than embarassing facts. Period.

A hearty "aye" to your entire post.

64 posted on 12/20/2006 8:06:51 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Last Laugh
It is not a matter of what I think the FBI should have done about Pelosi, it is what I think the FBI should be doing about Pelosi and others like her.

Like what?

Please remember that whatever power you give the FBI now will be turned against us when the next Dim president takes office.

What exactly do you think the FBI should be doing about Nancy Pelosi?

65 posted on 12/20/2006 8:11:31 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: RockinRight
Great stuff---thanks for the link.

Though I'm a Gen-Xer, and an older one at that, I am a true Beatleholic, and I truly appreciate thoughtful articles about the Beatles like the one you provided.

66 posted on 12/20/2006 8:13:31 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"If I'm not mistaken, Lennon was fairly ambivalent in his politics."

You're mistaken.


67 posted on 12/20/2006 8:28:24 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: highball
They should keep an eye on her. Pelosi is a Socialists. I thought I made that clear in my reply?

Socialism/Communism used to be quite properly frowned upon in this Republic and considered a threat to our form of Government. That many no longer do so , does not make these ideals any less of a threat.

The FBI and CIA have already been castrated by the Democrats. I'm sure there will be no investigations of people like Kerry who speak with foreign dictators and Pelosi who are members of the Socialists Party.

68 posted on 12/20/2006 8:29:10 AM PST by Last Laugh
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To: ShadowDancer

Yea, but when are they going to release the Kennedy files?


69 posted on 12/20/2006 8:31:02 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: dogbyte12

"We overclassify to be honest. Often for embarassment, more than national security. Lennon was a lefty, but not a serious threat. It's embarassing that the FBI spent hundreds or thousands of hours around on bugging, tailing him with our tax dollars. Therefore it is classified. I am for some serious sunshine laws. We still have things classified from the 30's and 40's. There is nothing that we knew back then that is anything other than embarassing. Other than nuclear technology from the Manhattan project, there is nothing "secret" other than embarassing facts. Period."

BS. This, like most information, was probably classified because of the sources involved rather than the content.

Moreover, if you don't think our government has a right to monitor powerful foreign agitators who are trying help us lose a war, then you are a fool.

And I say this as a pretty big fan of John Lennon's music. I also know enough about him to know that he was a vicious and potentially dangerous person.


70 posted on 12/20/2006 8:33:55 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Last Laugh
They should keep an eye on her. Pelosi is a Socialists. I thought I made that clear in my reply?

Wasn't clear to me. Thank you for clarifying.

Are you really okay with a Dim president using the FBI to "keep an eye on" conservative leaders, because he thinks they're "facsists"?

71 posted on 12/20/2006 8:34:27 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I don't understand why the government insisted on keeping this secret for so long. If the Lennon surveillance didn't amount to much, why not just give the author the files when he first asked for them?

Because the State resents the people asking too many questions.

72 posted on 12/20/2006 8:36:01 AM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: Sam Hill

Oh please . . . Kerry's just a star effer!


73 posted on 12/20/2006 8:45:02 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: period end of story
By and large, the opposite tends to be true:  music from 65-75 tended to have more complete and highly skilled melodic lines.  And the lyrics tended to be better.  Sometimes harmonic lines are much more rich although, that's a wash with a lot of today's musicians.

But music from the early 90s to the present tends to have more and highly complex counterpoint, fuller tone and exacting pitch.

It's due largely to the digitizing of music:  counterpoint is easier to create when you can sequence and MIDI it.  Tone is better when you can run a voice, instrument or patch through multiple digital effects boxes.  Pitch is easier to keep when your group has a synthesizer or two.

74 posted on 12/20/2006 8:48:50 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

You're ignorance is showing. That picture was taken at May 1972 anti-war rally in NYC's Central Park where both Lennon and Kerry were featured speakers.

It's laughable for people not to know that John Lennon was the Cindy Sheehan of his day. (But without Mother Sheehan's quiet dignity.)


75 posted on 12/20/2006 8:52:29 AM PST by Sam Hill
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Sorry. Revising and extending -- the aforementioned rally was in 1971 and at Bryant Park.


76 posted on 12/20/2006 8:54:27 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
You're ignorance is showing. That picture was taken at May 1972 anti-war rally in NYC's Central Park where both Lennon and Kerry were featured speakers.

So? That proves Lennon was part of a conspiracy to overthrow the US government?

77 posted on 12/20/2006 8:58:43 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

My post was in response to your saying the photo proved Kerry was a "star effer." And the equally uninformed post that Lennon's politics were ambiguous.

There was nothing ambiguous about his opposition to the Vietnam war or to the then current administration.

Sorry for pointing out the facts. I know that bugs you.


78 posted on 12/20/2006 9:02:20 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: sgtbono2002

she is ugly, but she was wealthy and well connected in Japan. At least that is what I have read.


79 posted on 12/20/2006 9:04:52 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

It's also funny that you didn't drag your namesake into this discussion.

Apparently you don't know that Hemingway was paid $500 a month to gather information about Cuba, until he became so unstable they no longer thought he was reliable.

After that, they began to monitor his activities too.


80 posted on 12/20/2006 9:11:45 AM PST by Sam Hill
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