Ga. School District Abandons Stickers

Fox News ^ | Tuesday, December 19, 2006 | DOUG GROSS

[metmom]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you were a huge supporter of home schooling. Sounds like deep down you resent it; table scraps and an old bone and all that.

Yes, I am a huge supporter of homeschooling and don't resent it. However, I certainly can see a condescending attitude when it's presented.

This whole country was funded on Christian principles and they have been a part of American life since it's inception. The founding fathers knew what they were about when the wrote the First Amendment that prohibits the government from establishing a state religion and allows the free exercise thereof, and established the balance of power to try to prevent just what we're seeing today with the misuse of the judiciary.

The only taliban-like behavior is from the ACLU, as its goals of destroying America and eradicating any trace of Christianity are the same as islam's. There's just a different method to their madness. What's alarming is the support the ACLU gets in those goals in the name of *science*.

Removing all traces of religion from public schools IS establishing a religion- that is humanism, or secularism, if you will. Absence of religion is not a neutral position. When there's two sides to an issue, like God vs. no God, there can never be neutral ground. When the ACLU is promoting atheism over Christianity, all the atheists think it's a good thing only because it fits with there world view, but if it went with Christianity, it would be bad because it's favoring one religion over another. They just don't mind when it's THEIR religion that's favored. NEWSFLASH. The public is made up of people. If the public (the people) want their tax money to be used in a certain way to educate the public's (the people's) children, then they should have it as they wish whether a minority of elitst, self-appointed, individuals like it or not.

[Sopater]

Nice slogan, but no substitute for actual facts.

Ok, what's your favorite "fact" as evidence supporting evolution?

[metmom]

Everyone has to pay taxes that go toward things they don't like yet I don't hear them claiming victim status.

Yes, but the wishes of the majority should have rule. That's what a representative government is all about; rule of the majority.

What makes you think that atheists don't homeschool or that the only people that do are Christians?

I dont. Where did I ever say that?

And that all homeschooling Christians use the Bible as their science textbooks?

I didn't say that either. Where did you get that idea?

[metmom]

Maybe belief in God is part of that evolution, huh?

LOL!!! There was actually a FR thread on that not too long ago; that we evolved to believe in God. How ironic.

[Coyoteman]

Ok, what's your favorite "fact" as evidence supporting evolution?

Here's a nice one. (I have lots more.) This one is also a transitional. Note its position in the chart which follows (hint--in the upper center):

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Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

Source: http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/environment/eePages/eeDating/HumanEvol_info.html

[highball]

Thank you, Coyoteman.

I don't know that I've ever had a "favorite fact," but that will do nicely.

[Dog Gone]

Transistional species are all just freaks that died in Noah's Flood 4,000 years ago, even though that's not how they date using irrefutable scientific techniques.

It all has to do with some mysterious cloud that surrounded the earth and the the fact that the laws of physics have only been constant for the past 4,000 years. Before then, they apparently were completely random, which has fooled the atheist and inherently evil scientists into believing that a fossil could be a million years old or more!

These scientists must be stopped before they brainwash our kids.

[Coyoteman]

Transistional species are all just freaks that died in Noah's Flood 4,000 years ago, even though that's not how they date using irrefutable scientific techniques.

It all has to do with some mysterious cloud that surrounded the earth and the the fact that the laws of physics have only been constant for the past 4,000 years. Before then, they apparently were completely random, which has fooled the atheist and inherently evil scientists into believing that a fossil could be a million years old or more!

These scientists must be stopped before they brainwash our kids.

You omitted the /sarcasm tag.

Good one, you had me going for a minute there.

[jbwbubba]

The statement on the sticker is not an endorsement of Religion, (which what the judge ruled) but does point out that Evolution is a "THEORY" and Theory is not Fact. The version of Evolution taught in the Darwin school of thought is itself not the only possible science explanation. The sticker doesn't mention God, nor does it address 'Intelligent Design' theory. The sticker only points out that Evolution is a THEORY and "should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered" shouldn't all scientific theory be studied and considered? Before 1492 everyone accepted the theory for fact that the earth was flat, and you know what happened. If a Bible class was studied in school, I wouldn't have problem with a sticker saying it was a belief and should be "studied" or "approached with an open mind". If you were buying a used car and the salesman said it was "like new" would you accept his theory as fact and buy over the phone? Or would you want to study the car in person and make up your on mind.

[Wormwood]

The sticker only points out that Evolution is a THEORY and "should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered" shouldn't all scientific theory be studied and considered?

The fact that the sticker singled out Evolution is what revealed it to be a fig leaf for Creationism.

Before 1492 everyone accepted the theory for fact that the earth was flat, and you know what happened.

Wrong. Educated people have known that the earth is round for thousand of years. Luckily for us, they did not allow any 'flat earth stickers' to be added to the scrolls of the Library of Alexandria.

[LibertarianSchmoe]

A scientific theory isn't the same as a jbwbubba theory.

Why is the Theory of Evolution the only theory that should be "stickerized"? How about a sticker for gravity?

I know the answer, and I believe that you do to. But it's only a theory.

[Dog Gone]

I personally don't like the sarcasm tag. I'd prefer to let astute readers detect it, and the non-astute to swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

I'm weird that way.

[jbwbubba]

"Why is the Theory of Evolution the only theory that should be "stickerized"? How about a sticker for gravity?"

Because the local people in charge decided they wanted it, many laws and rules seem odd and seem hypocritical. Why do some places forbid alcohol sales on Sunday or till after 1:00 after Sunday, yet allow it the rest of the week. Schools are spending money to deal with obesity, yet eliminating recess. The two seem at odds, but it doesn't make it a court case.

[Sopater]

Coyoteman, The chart and estimated age, are not "facts". Facts don't change.

What is a fact is that scientists can't seem to decide if Homo ergaster is even a separate taxon.

[49th]

The problem with allowing the 'majority' in any representational government the unchecked ability to exercise their will, is that you end up with the oppression of minorities.

It is important for public schools to be religiously neutral because not everyone who goes there is religious or of the same religion. Even if the majority of the students do come from a specific religious background, they should not be afforded special treatment simply because they form the majority. The majority of students in schools are of average intelligence. Should those students who are capable of excelling, or those who require extra assistance be neglected because they do not form the majority?

In the situation of public schools, members of all religions must practice the virtue of tolerance. They must tolerate the fact that only in a religiously neutral setting will all members of the student body be on the same scholastic footing. If a member of a religious group wishes their child to be taught in a fashion that is different from what is being taught in public schools, they have the option of sending their child to a private school.

[Junior]

That's what a representative government is all about; rule of the majority.

You need to include the /sarcasm tag. Otherwise folks will think you're an idiot.

[js1138]

Yes, but the wishes of the majority should have rule. That's what a representative government is all about; rule of the majority.

Fortunately, those of us who call ourselves conservatives live in and defend a constitutional republic rather than a democracy.

[stripes1776]

Hence, a theory can be disproven experimentally, but can never, ever be proven.

We disagree about the language. A hypothesis may be rejected as stated if experimental data (never exact) do not support it. In the hard sciences this is done with a discrepancy test. Do the experimental data agree or disagree with the theoretical values?

We do agree that a theory can never be proven.

[RadioAstronomer]

Yes, but the wishes of the majority should have rule. That's what a representative government is all about; rule of the majority.

Ummm....No.

[AtomicBuffaloWings]

Yes, but the wishes of the majority should have rule. That's what a representative government is all about; rule of the majority. ! well..thank goodness for the electoral college. What makes you think that atheists don't homeschool or that the only people that do are Christians?

I dont. Where did I ever say that?

And that all homeschooling Christians use the Bible as their science textbooks?

I didn't say that either. Where did you get that idea?

It seemed to me you implied it with this line: "Well, if it's not a good enough option for the atheists/evolutionists, then it's not good enough anyone else."

Sort of like the sticker implied there was controversy or something special about the TOE by singling it out among all theories to point out that it's only a theory. Why overstate the obvious?

It's not only atheists that object to supernatural ideas being introduced into a science class. Creationists have tried their darndest to get people thinking that evolutionist is a synonym for atheist, but it's just not working.