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Many of the 'ADD generation' say no to meds
LA Times ^ | 18 December 2006 | Melissa Healy, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 12/18/2006 6:44:16 AM PST by shrinkermd

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To: albie

You're an idiot, you shouldn't post if you don't know what you are talking about.


21 posted on 12/18/2006 7:12:31 AM PST by thomas16
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To: JWinNC
"...medication is compensating for bad parenting." Amen... and bad teachers and bad schools have a hand in it as well. A lot of this starts in the schools where the teachers are "diagnosing" ADD. -jw

You're an idiot too, don't post when you are completely ignorant of the subject!

22 posted on 12/18/2006 7:15:36 AM PST by thomas16
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To: thomas16
What, exactly, are you doing to enlighten anybody and otherwise improve the discussion?
23 posted on 12/18/2006 7:16:42 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: shrinkermd
ADD


24 posted on 12/18/2006 7:17:02 AM PST by jdm
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To: shrinkermd
I suspect that had I grown up in this day and age, they would have pegged me a ADD. I was just a normal, healthy boy.

The feminist movement has succeeded in branding normal boy behavior as ADD or anti-social and suppressed it with drugs. As a result, they are not able to learn to control and use their God-given gifts and abilities.

I would like to see the percentages of Boys to Girls being "diagnosed" as ADD.

25 posted on 12/18/2006 7:19:58 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: shrinkermd

My parents wouldn't allow me to be meidcated. I had to learn how to cope on my own. Considering I have an Advanced Degree and I am in a job I love, I think I've done ok for myself. On a personal note, I've been happily married to a wonderful man for over 11 years now.


26 posted on 12/18/2006 7:20:52 AM PST by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: albie

Yes, there IS such a thing. Unfortunately, it's too often improperly diagnosed and treated. But it does exist.


27 posted on 12/18/2006 7:22:54 AM PST by twigs
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To: cinives

Not to mention, most all public school systems receive approximately $20 / pill per day from the gov. to just to hand the pills out and keep count of them. Of course, the student has to supply their own meds....for whatever the merry occssion.


28 posted on 12/18/2006 7:23:31 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: sure_fine
please give this site a read, it really opens eyes http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

I have, and it is chilling just how many objectives they've acheived.

29 posted on 12/18/2006 7:25:21 AM PST by jmcenanly (Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. -- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: JWinNC

Several teachers suggested I have my daughter tested for ADHD when she was in school. I refused because I didn't think she needed to be psychoanalyzed or medicated. I had people accuse me of being a bad parent because the child acted like she had ants in her pants all the time. She was a total livewire. Still is, but at 22, she has learned to focus her energy. Consistent parenting can help a lot. But sometimes medication is needed. I kept a little boy who had to be medicated. One time I was late getting him back home to get his medication. He nearly jumped out of the car into traffic. Some children need medication for their own safety. But not all medicated children actually need it.


30 posted on 12/18/2006 7:27:51 AM PST by twigs
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To: T.Smith; thomas16; albie
What, exactly, are you doing to enlighten anybody and otherwise improve the discussion?

Let me jump in here and enlighten a few who think that ADD/ADHD is just "bad parenting."

As a parent of a child with ADD (he's 17 now), let me just say that blaming it all on bad parenting is a full bucket of Bull-Clinton.

ADD/ADHD are real.

However, they are also grossly overdiagnosed and grossly over medicated. For many it is used as an excuse.

Unfortunatetly that makes it very difficult for those of us whose children really do need additional help.

Ritalin worked for our son, and he was quite happy about how it helped him get his school work done. It did not negatively affect his personality. But, when he hit puberty, it stopped working. The doctor prescribed a different drug and I watched him for a week and said "that's enough." He hasn't been on drugs since.

But he still struggles with the issues of ADD.

Saying it doesn't exist is just pure ignorance.

The bottom line is it's the parent's responsibility to do research and ask the necessary questions.

To imply (or flat out say) that ADD is bad parenting just shows that you haven't done the necessary research and you haven't asked the necessary questions.

31 posted on 12/18/2006 7:28:37 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: Redleg Duke
Here ya go: 1998 CDC Study

From the study:

...The percentage of boys as compared with girls with only ADD was almost 3 times greater and the percent with both [ADD and LD] diagnoses was over 2 times greater...

Looks like ya might have found the smoking gun.

32 posted on 12/18/2006 7:29:28 AM PST by jboot (If I can't get a Josiah, I'll settle for a Jehu)
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To: Corin Stormhands
"Unfortunatetly that makes it very difficult for those of us whose children really do need additional help."

I'd wager that 98% of parents who medicate their kids would make that statement. I'm just guessing...

33 posted on 12/18/2006 7:33:01 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Looks to me like diagnosing kids as ADD stigmatize them and makes certain that they have problems later on in life.

An EXCELLENT point! I remember once when my little hyperactive darling heard a local news reporter say that over active children are more likely to get hooked on drugs (illegal ones). She asked me then if that meant she would get hooked on them. It was a great opportunity to talk about personal responsibility. I told her all of us have a proclivity toward something that is not good for us, and all of us as well have a responsibility not to allow natural tendencies to control our actions. I think that soothed her fears a great deal, because it never came up again and she's never again expressed such fears. But I shudder to think if she had heard that and I had not been there to talk with her about it. It's the same with children of single parents. You hear over and over (often on FR, too) that these kids have so many extra problems. I raised my child by myself for 12 years and was always concerned that she would hear this stuff so much that it would provide her an excuse to turn out bad. Fortunately, she had too much sense for that. But we, as a society, help enable these kids and give them excuses for their bad choices.

34 posted on 12/18/2006 7:35:39 AM PST by twigs
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To: albie

As a homeschooling mom of three, I believe wholeheartedly that many kids these days are WAY over-medicated, boys aren't allowed to be boys, often the meds are for the benefit of the teacher rather than the student, etc, and despite how crazy he can be, I can't imagine putting my 5 yr old son on any drug to curb his behavior.

That said, after years of struggling with focus and memory (it's been incredibly frustrating for him at work, not to mention for us at home) my husband was diagnosed with adult ADD this year, is on a med for it, and it has improved things. There's no doubt it my mind that he has it.

The shame of it all is that the many abuses of reckless diagnosis and prescription overshadow the kids (and adults, for that matter) who really do need help.


35 posted on 12/18/2006 7:37:31 AM PST by agrace (http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/agrace/)
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To: agrace
The shame of it all is that the many abuses of reckless diagnosis and prescription overshadow the kids (and adults, for that matter) who really do need help.

exactly

36 posted on 12/18/2006 7:39:55 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: shrinkermd
My dad's narrow 1950's style belt cured my ADD, or taught me how important it was to stop being a knuckleheaded idiot.

My mom's China-berry Tree Switch and bolo paddle taught me that ADD was just my imagination.

Principal John Taylor Leath's, 54 inch, 1950's belt taught me that education is Autocratic and Authoritarian. Terror and fear will cure many disorders.

37 posted on 12/18/2006 7:40:19 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: jboot

You sound a lot like my daughter. She's the reason that I got a lot more tolerant about different teaching strategies in the classroom. My daughter was simply unable to sit still in a classroom and receive instruction like I had done. And to this day, she hates to read. But she came alive with projects where she could work with her hands. She just soaked up the information she needed to learn when she work working with the information. That doesn't work for me worth anything. And today, she will soon graduate from college with a degree in Interior Design--something where she works with her hands along with her mind.


38 posted on 12/18/2006 7:40:19 AM PST by twigs
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To: Always Right

I have heard that if the amount of sugar, fast food is carefully watched and more natural nutrition is given, the ADD problem may not be as bad as it could be otherwise.


39 posted on 12/18/2006 7:41:36 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: elc
Now she just seems high all the time. It's very hard work being around her. She talks a mile a minute.

My guess is she's on the wrong dose.

One of my kids went on medication at around 8. The doctor never increased the dose and he was eventually weaned off the meds. He is very bright and still has more trouble concentrating than most people at times, but the meds really helped him. He never seemed high or acted differently. I asked him how the meds felt and he said the only way he could tell he was on them was that he could keep his mind on a task better.

ADD has been described as trying to take the SAT test in the middle of a cocktail party.

40 posted on 12/18/2006 7:43:25 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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