Homeland Security chief defends Real ID plan

CNET News.com ^ | 15 Dec 2006 | Anne Broache

[streetpreacher]

Papers, vhere are your papers?!

[streetpreacher]

Coming soon... without this nifty new card, you won't be able to purchase firearms.

[streetpreacher]

You sound a DUer! Nazi this and Nazi that! /sarcasm

[streetpreacher]

LOL!

[chiefqc]

Well that should keep us all safe from those nasty old people just like the screeners do at the airports.

Just another moronic idea from our ever alert officals in washington.

[Plutarch]

Since Chertoff wants to protect our country with only a Virtual wall, we must have Real ID.

[RoadGumby]

So, now it sounds as though this is a done deal. In the past, this idea was discussed more as 'proposed' ID's. Now it is "...forthcoming national ID cards....". Looks like I will soon be out of work, as my job requires a security clearance and I refuse to be issued such ID. Truly, God Help Us All.

[ARE SOLE]

Since Chertoff wants to protect our country with only a Virtual wall, we must have Real ID.

Yeah, how about a real wall and virtual ID?

Regards.

[CORedneck]

Funny, Sensenbrenner and Company such as Tom Davis who pushed hard for this got p*ssed when people called it as it was, a National ID Card.

The Real ID Act of 2005 is bad law, time for ts demise. It was passed without discussion, debate. It was a rider on a must pass piece of legislation. The same method used to pass unpopular legislation that the democrats used to pass their crap. Too bad the Republican House didn't do this to make tax repeal permanent such as the getting rid of the death tax.

The democrats are talking about repealing this. It makes sense.... The Real ID Act is a complex prescription and it micromanages the states on licensing way beyond the idea of keeping licenses out of illegal alien's hands. A simple law would to be withhold highway money if states issues licenses to illegals.

[archy]

You sound a DUer! Nazi this and Nazi that! /sarcasm

Nah. Just that when I was in the Army in the mid-1960s, I only lived a few miles from the old German Konzentrationslager at Dachau. Which at the time, a portion of which was still in use as a U.S. military prison.

And I got to know some of the Germans who'd worked at the place during the war, and their families. They were no more monsters than most of the guys with whom I was serving. And no less capable of brutality or inhumanity.

[streetpreacher]

I wasn't disagreeing with you BTW.

[archy]

Coming soon... without this nifty new card, you won't be able to purchase firearms.

No problem. There'll be plenty just lying around, very near their previous owners, who'll have no more requirement for things of this world.

You'd do well to pick up something with which you're familiar and comfortable to tide tide you through the initial period, however, which will likely be both messy and noisy.

[swarthyguy]

>>>>>a core crime prevention challenge: determining a person's unspoken intentions.

Tell me there's not some advanced MRI type device in the works.

Sir, your brainwave pattern shows you are about to........

Kick a puppy

Smoke a joint or worse, a cigarette

Drink after your drive, oops, drive after you drink

Riding your bicycle without your helmet

Hell, just implant the damn chips.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Hell, just implant the damn chips.

Be VERY careful what you wish for...

[swarthyguy]

They're coming.

First, the guilt response will be invoked upon moms and their kids, "Don't you want to know where your kids are at all times" followed by "If you care about your kids, you'll have them implanted", also appealing successfully to a Keeping up with the Jones' mindset - Sara next door has little Jimmy chipped, and for only a 1000 bucks; isn't your peace of mind worth a thousand bucks.

Safety, fear, security and convenience.

The kids, the older ones will be sold on the convenience of it - pay by chip, and by the time they grow up, they won't even have an idea of a society where everyone isn't chipped.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Oh, I KNOW they're coming....it's been planned since before the beginning of the world.

I'm coming from a Spiritual aspect...this WILL happen, and each and every one of us will have to make one and only one choice between that chip (mark), ie worshipping the anti-christ, or our physical lives.

I pray that everyone reading this is prepared for that day....

[af_vet_rr]

Let's call it what it is - an internal passport.

Pretty much. Had this been under Clinton (actually Clinton and his people did want something similar but knew it would be shot down), Republicans would be freaking out.

Apparently, when it's a Republican in the White House, it's okay! Hypocrisy, it's not just for liberals anymore!

[af_vet_rr]

I pray that everyone reading this is prepared for that day....

They are not. I can post a thread about Tom Cruise saying something bad about Bush, and there'll be a thousand responses within 12 hours. You can post a thread about government-mandated IDs that would sound like the beginnings of 1984, and you'll see maybe 50-100 responses, tops. Apparently, people have their priorities. Tom Cruise saying something bad is more important than tools that the liberals would run wild with, and that could help further our journey down the road towards a socialist/police state.

[PAR35]

But that just sounds so com/bloc.

How about

Personalausweis

Instead of

идентификационная карточка

Courtesy of BabelFish, of course.

[af_vet_rr]

Just to make a point, there's only been one more post in the past day on this thread.

If this Real ID stuff were going on under Clinton, there would be thousands of posts against Real ID (and what if Hillary gets elected in 2008, Real ID, PATRIOT Act, will all be in her hands, and with a wannabe-Janet Reno, people will be rethinking everything that Bush wanted).