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Darwin's Conservatives: The Misguided Quest
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Posted on 12/13/2006 10:26:59 AM PST by truthfinder9

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1 posted on 12/13/2006 10:27:09 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

This is just flawed reasoning. Darwinian evolution explains an observed scientific phenomenon. It is not a values statement or a political philosophy and more than gravity is. If you don't like Darwinian evolution, than attack it using science not with polemic.


2 posted on 12/13/2006 10:31:56 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: truthfinder9
not again!
3 posted on 12/13/2006 10:32:30 AM PST by si tacuissem (.. lurker mansissem)
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To: truthfinder9
According to Will, “evolution” is a “fact,” and anyone who does not recognize this elementary truth endangers the “conservative coalition.”

Just the mental picture of Will, lost inside his shirt collar, piping up with high-pitched indignation in defense of 'survival of the fittest,' is funny, since it's rather impossible to see how such a figure survived decades of schoolyard bullies demanding his milk money.

I wouldn't be surprised if he STILL didn't get extorted by chunky third-graders.

4 posted on 12/13/2006 10:33:22 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Alter Kaker
It is not a values statement or a political philosophy

Tell that to the Darwinists. It's their religion, and from it they derive their values, and a worldview that influence the whole of life.

5 posted on 12/13/2006 10:33:26 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: si tacuissem
Thanks for the link to my previous post on the same topic. I'll add my original comment from that thread:

When you consider that the most ardent defenders and believers in Darwin's theory (for its social implications) in the last century were atheistic Marxist and eugenic fascist regimes, and when one considers that the Darwinists' most powerful allies today are the leftist media and the ACLU, how can Darwinism be seriously considered as a foundation of conservatism?

6 posted on 12/13/2006 10:35:43 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; metmom

He we go again.


7 posted on 12/13/2006 10:37:53 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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Tell that to the Darwinists. It's their religion, and from it they derive their values, and a worldview that influence the whole of life.

Really? See, because I'm a "Darwinist," and yet somehow I still pray to the God of Abraham, not to Charles Darwin. I think you'd be surprised at how little "Darwinism" influences my values or my "worldview."

8 posted on 12/13/2006 10:40:16 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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When you consider that the most ardent defenders and believers in Darwin's theory (for its social implications) in the last century were atheistic Marxist and eugenic fascist regimes, and when one considers that the Darwinists' most powerful allies today are the leftist media and the ACLU, how can Darwinism be seriously considered as a foundation of conservatism?

When did logical fallacies like "guilt by association" become valid means of determining the "foundations of conservativism"?

9 posted on 12/13/2006 10:40:19 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: truthfinder9
Contrary to its conservative champions, Darwin’s theory manifestly does not reinforce the teachings of conservatism. It promotes moral relativism rather than traditional morality. It fosters utopianism rather than limited government. It is corrosive, rather than supportive, of both free will and religious belief.

My reaction to the above is "who cares?"

It's not a philosophy or a system of government, it's a scientific explanation of observed phenomena. It's immaterial what societal effects people believing it has, it just matters whether it's likely to be true, based on the observed evidence.

Just the same as if someone claimed that E=mc2 promotes moral relativism and fosters utopianism - my reaction would be "so?"

And if someone promoting the idea that the world is flat said that if more people believed the world was flat, they'd be more moral and support limited government, my reaction would be, again, "who cares?"

10 posted on 12/13/2006 10:50:24 AM PST by Strategerist
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Really? See, because I'm a "Darwinist," and yet somehow I still pray to the God of Abraham, not to Charles Darwin. I think you'd be surprised at how little "Darwinism" influences my values or my "worldview."

Creationists have a habit of projecting themselves on to Evolutionists - I really do think they imagine dark candle-lit rooms where people reverently read passages from "Origin of Species" and whatnot.

11 posted on 12/13/2006 10:52:15 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: truthfinder9

I can see now that this thread will inspire nothing but intelligent, thoughtful debate, bringing out the best Free Republic has to offer.


12 posted on 12/13/2006 10:57:57 AM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: truthfinder9

"According to Will, “evolution” is a “fact,”"

That about does George Will in for me. His "fact" is a hypothesis.


13 posted on 12/13/2006 11:14:51 AM PST by RoadTest (Both manifestations of The Word Of God are alive and powerful.)
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To: Alter Kaker

" Darwinian evolution explains an observed scientific phenomenon."

Observed! Wow! How old ARE you?


14 posted on 12/13/2006 11:16:11 AM PST by RoadTest (Both manifestations of The Word Of God are alive and powerful.)
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Observed! Wow! How old ARE you?

OLD. They don't call me the Alter Kaker for nothing.

But seriously, there are a great many observations of evolution -- in genetics, in the fossil record, in observed morphological diversity, that are explained -- and to date have only been explained -- by evolutionary theory.

15 posted on 12/13/2006 11:28:52 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: truthfinder9
So basically forget hypothesis, experiments, models, predictive outcomes,and further study, just base science on how it positions with your politics, liberal or conservative.
16 posted on 12/13/2006 11:48:17 AM PST by 11th Commandment
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To: Alter Kaker
Darwinian evolution explains could explain an observed scientific phenomenon if it is true. That has not been proved, perhaps is unprovable. My take on Darwinism is the same as on Intelligent Design- not proved.
17 posted on 12/13/2006 12:05:53 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Alter Kaker

"Really? See, because I'm a "Darwinist," and yet somehow I still pray to the God of Abraham, not to Charles Darwin. I think you'd be surprised at how little "Darwinism" influences my values or my "worldview.""

Common sense ping. :)


18 posted on 12/13/2006 12:09:35 PM PST by L98Fiero (The media is a self-licking ice-cream cone)
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To: 11th Commandment

"just base science on how it positions with your politics, liberal or conservative."

The way of the future.


19 posted on 12/13/2006 12:12:55 PM PST by L98Fiero (The media is a self-licking ice-cream cone)
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To: My2Cents

/roll eyes...

When one starts using a *science* to dictate and justify morality and politics, soemone has way overstepped their bounds. Then it can justifiably be called a religion.


20 posted on 12/13/2006 12:49:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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