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'He [Pinochet] broke the chains of communism for us'
The Telegraph ^ | 12/12/06 | Jeremy McDermott

Posted on 12/11/2006 12:42:02 AM PST by bruinbirdman

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1 posted on 12/11/2006 12:42:05 AM PST by bruinbirdman
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Sheila Cassidy, a British doctor who was tortured for helping a Left-wing dissident, said: "I don't think that he ever thought that he'd done wrong. I think that he continued to think that the people that he tortured were dirt really, and got what was coming to them."

Dear Sheila,

He was right. You were dirt and you did get what was coming to you.

The moral of your story Sheila is don't go to South American countries and meddle in their politics.

Love,

L

2 posted on 12/11/2006 12:46:35 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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If you use that argument, then you could justify the barbaric killings of our soldiers and civilian contractors in Iraq at the hands of the insurgents. Your comment is as misplaced as Markos Moulitsas' "screw them" comment from 2004 regarding contractors.


3 posted on 12/11/2006 12:52:48 AM PST by abt87 (Liberals aren't stupid...they can still beat Koko the monkey in chess)
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What you said. And that goes especially for Bolivia, Equador, and Venezuela. Wouldn't suggest aiding and abeting Columbian revolutionaries. Wouldn't mess around with Rooskie NGOs either.

yitbos

4 posted on 12/11/2006 12:53:56 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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then you could justify the barbaric killings of our soldiers and civilian contractors in Iraq at the hands of the insurgents

Wrong.

Those civilian contractors were there at the invitation of the elected Iraqi government.

This Sheila person was an uninvited busybody poking her nose into a South American political upheaval.

That's not a recommended strategy for long term survival or general good health.

L

5 posted on 12/11/2006 1:00:36 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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"If you use that argument, then you could justify the barbaric killings of our soldiers and civilian contractors in Iraq at the hands of the insurgents. Your comment is as misplaced as Markos Moulitsas' "screw them" comment from 2004 regarding contractors."



Gulf War 1 was Saddam externalizing his tyranny (Kuwait).

Gulf War 2 is cleaning up lose ends left over from GW1

Not quite the same thing.
6 posted on 12/11/2006 1:03:04 AM PST by wodinoneeye
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The Left hates him because he stopped Communism. If he had just been a leftist dictator, they could have cared less if millions were murdered but the deaths of a couple thousand leftists have stoked their faux moral outrage over the Chilean general.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

7 posted on 12/11/2006 1:11:05 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Ditto. As the commies are not humans, but beasts in human shape, they do not, and cannot, have human rights. Thus these rights, not being applicable, could not have been abused. The most one could have speak of, would be cruelty to animals.


8 posted on 12/11/2006 1:13:46 AM PST by GSlob
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Let me ask you something? If a Democrat gets elected President in 2008, and implements several radical liberal policies such as universal healthcare and more confiscatory taxes for those who earned and inherited their money rightfully, would you support a military coup and suspension of the Consitution for a few years? That also includes killing thousands of people who ever voted democrat. Or what if the military overthrew a Republican President and Congress who overturned the New Deal and ended "progressive" era policies that have been parasitic for economic growth?

Allende was a POS for being a communist, but he was still democratically elected, and he would have had no chance of staying in power after his socialistic policies.

If the military in this country ever tried to overthrow our government and suspend the constitution, even if I disliked the administration, I would do what the Founding Fathers did and take up arms to defend my rights.


9 posted on 12/11/2006 1:17:36 AM PST by abt87 (Liberals aren't stupid...they can still beat Koko the monkey in chess)
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The phrase 'what if' is for children.

L

10 posted on 12/11/2006 1:19:32 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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If this country ever came to the point of an Islamist takeover, I would support a military coup to halt it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

11 posted on 12/11/2006 1:19:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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The poster said that the doctor was meddling in another country's politics. Now while our intentions are noble and morally just in spread democracy to Iraq, we are still meddling in that country's politics. The British doctor may have just gone to Chile for a humanitarian mission, just as the contractors just wanted to help rebuild an impoverished nation with no infrastructure.


12 posted on 12/11/2006 1:21:02 AM PST by abt87 (Liberals aren't stupid...they can still beat Koko the monkey in chess)
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An Islamist takeover is not as plausible. While the Democrat Party coddles Islamists, their hedonistic ways correlate better with secularists and socialists. Ergo, the Democrats taking over an implementing policies on the scale of the New Deal or Great Society is a better comparison.


13 posted on 12/11/2006 1:22:45 AM PST by abt87 (Liberals aren't stupid...they can still beat Koko the monkey in chess)
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To: GSlob

one could have speak of = one could speak of. Caffeine is needed.


14 posted on 12/11/2006 1:27:08 AM PST by GSlob
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I should clarify the only way I could see the military ever departing from our country's tradition of civil command over it is if this country faced the risk of imminent disintegration. And they would to be very extreme circumstances before the generals could even justify a coup.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

15 posted on 12/11/2006 1:27:25 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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An Anagram For You

General Pinochet is dead =
A Chilean's ego-trip ended.

-- posted by db at Anagrammy.com

16 posted on 12/11/2006 1:34:45 AM PST by Silly ("Dignity is overrated. Go climb a tree." -- The Gospel According to Luke, Chapter 19 - paraphrased)
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"... would be cruelty to animals."

My dog resents that comparison. He's growling at the monitor.

17 posted on 12/11/2006 1:52:59 AM PST by Bonaparte
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"Although he left power 16 years ago, Pinochet remained a senator for life."

Isn't that because he overthrew the democratically elected government to install himself as a dictator, then rewrote the constitution to make himself a senator for life before handing power back over to civilians years later?

Please do correct me if I'm wrong. I'd hate to undermine the achievement if there was more to it than that.


18 posted on 12/11/2006 1:54:41 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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"As the commies are not humans, but beasts in human shape, they do not, and cannot, have human rights. Thus these rights, not being applicable, could not have been abused. The most one could have speak of, would be cruelty to animals."

Thus spoke the Lord.


19 posted on 12/11/2006 1:59:21 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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"... he would have had no chance of staying in power after his socialistic policies."

Allende was a drunkard. He was already killing himself with alcohol when he blew his brains out. Castro's people were already taking over and Allende would have soon been replaced with a Castro puppet. You have no idea how chaotic that country was when General Pinochet stepped in -- at the request of the Chilean Supreme Court which had determined that Allende's administration was outlaw.

There probably would not have been another election, but if there had been it would have been rigged by Castro -- and later "legitimized" by Carter.

That British woman was giving aid and comfort to the communist enemy in the midst of a life-and-death brawl in Chile. She's lucky she got out with her life.

20 posted on 12/11/2006 2:06:07 AM PST by Bonaparte
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