Posted on 12/10/2006 10:04:01 PM PST by neverdem
A common leftist claim... typical in Santa Cruz, Berkeley, San Francisco and other places. If you want to see a theocracy, visit them sometime - - if you have not already.
I have never once claimed to be a "conservative." (Do a search and see for yourself.)
I am also not an orthodox atheist who does everything in contravention to the Judaic culture this country and its laws are founded upon, just for the sake of throwing crap at the Christians.
I happen to agree with the Jews and Christians on a myriad of political issues for logical reasons I have stated in many places...
All cultures are not equal. The trouble with the liberal-tarians is that they want anarchy, but when a fellow like myself is all too willing to give it to them, they will pee all over themselves and run to the nanny state they say they oppose.
I say screw them and the filthy practices they want to live by. My children are not going to inherit their squalor if I can help it.
You have never been to a university campus...
Why, I have been to campuses - both in the US and outside. Where you see "cultural marxism", I see the behavioral/sociological one- i.e. I'm trying to look much deeper. I gave you an illustration with clintons- and there are legions of them in senior corporate ranks, for example.
Funny. I didn't notice. You seemed like so many other Bushbots you find around here.
Don't confuse small "l" libertarians with Big "L" Libertarians (members of the party.)
I have some libertarian beliefs myself but do NOT vote Libertarian, since they support open borders, abortion on demand, no real defense against terrorism, etc.
and a government's design-Libertarians want our Government to return to the original intent of its designers.
You answer my question first bright boy. Where exactly in the US Constitution is the 'two party system' mentioned?
Article, Section, and Paragraph if you please.
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Nowhere--where, exactly, in my posts did I suggest any such thing? Paragraph and sentence if you please, dim boy.
Yeah, exactly. Pity you can't seem to understand the very plain point.
Libertarians want our Government to return to the original intent of its designers.
Which has nothing at all to do with the context of the comment you're referencing.
You need to understand basic concepts in the discussion before you keep making the same mistakes over and over, and criticizing others, when you can't even grasp the rhetorical points someone is making at the most basic level.
From post 107 on this very thread. Here are your words:
Anyone with any knowledge of history knows there are always TWO parties in a two-party system--deal with it.
Paragraph and sentence if you please, dim boy.
There it is, in all it's glory. If you'd like I can repost all three of the sentences you managed to string together but I picked the parts I felt least likely to highlight your appalling ignorance of the Constitution so as to spare you unnecessary embarrasment.
No need to thank me.
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Nope.
You forgot the nonsensical nanny state ban on internet gambling that Republicans got behind. I don't gamble but telling someone what they can do on their own computers, in their own house, with their own money is just retarded and reeks of heavy handed Gubmint paternalism.
O.K. have a great evening!
Then Republicans shouldn't whine when the Libertarian "causes" them to lose close elections.
Libertarians should embrace a political party that mocks and denigrates them, then expects subservience on election day?
How can a party that isn't the Libertarian party--and doesn't share the values of the Libertarian party, thank God-- "abandon" the voters of another political persuasion?
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Don't answer me right away. Just think about it or sleep on it tonight, OK?
I used to laugh or roll my eyes when I read about the parliamentary systems in other countries like Israel or some European countries. (even Iraq for that matter)
In order to form a governing coalition you have to have what seems like 145 different groups in your camp. Otherwise, they call for early elections and chuck you out the door. It seemed silly.
Than I thought about it for a while. That is essentially what we have here in the USA. You will never fit 300 million people under one of two umbrellas. It's the same deal here.
Did you ever read Ryan Sager's book "The Elephant in the Room: Republicans, Libertarians and the Battle to Control the Republican Party."
If you're interested, I'll post the first chapter for you.
The point is, as a fellow Reagan/Goldwater conservative we would be very lonely and powerless without other factions to vote us into office.
You can argue and complain all you want, but that's just the reality.
I heard this a lot after the election, but looking at the numbers in CA, there's the obvious third option. Turn out in traditionally republican counties was about the same as in 2002, the last midterm election. Turnout in dem strongholds, however was up 5-10%. They simply beat us at the GOTV tactics that was supposed to be Rove's strong suit.
I also think that the GOP needs to concentrate less on absentee ballots, and more on driving up the election day voting: those are the numbers that get reported, and perception is reality. Even if the GOP is up 30% in pre-election absentee votes, those numbers don't get tallied in until way after all the election day drama that depresses turnout.
I only post this so that smart guys like you can see what it takes to get Nancy Pelosi's Socialist ass out of the Speakers chair in '08. I'll tell you a funny anecdote/joke about what happens when you try to make everyone happy that you'll like. Unfortunately, that's politics though. Here's the first chapter of the book in the next post.
Required reading. I expect a book report by next week. :-)
http://www.rhsager.com/pdf/Chapter%201%20-%20Live%20from%20the%20Reagan%20Building.pdf
Alright, I know I made a tiny mistake in the book title.
It's "Evangelicals, Libertarians"....
Seriously, it's a great read. I learned a lot about the history of the conservative movement from Sager.
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