Mary Cheney Eaten By Dinosaur
Im not sure what this means but it is something else to worry about
It is unnatural for children to grow up with gay parents. Yes homosexuals have certain rights, but what about the childrens' rights to grow in a healthy environment? As a young person myself, I am very thankful that I was not raised by two gay men.
There are married Americans who are so desperate to adopt children that they will adopt foreign orphans. If an American child is an orphan, there is no pressing need for them to be adopted by two gays.
In 2000 Richard Hatch, the homosexual winner of survivor lost custody of his adopted son after charges of physical abuse surfaced. He was acquitted of criminal charges, but the child was still removed.
Remember, when you allow gay parents to have children, the children are completely under their care. I do not feel comfortable with gay men "spanking" and punishing children. Do you?
Even if most gay parents did not abuse their children, 47% of molestation cases come from within the family: fathers, stepfathers, and uncles. Allowing gay marriage endangers many more children.
Ms Crouse is correct: Mary Cheney's pregnancy strongly affects our society. It shows a strong trend in our country that few would have imagined just 15 years ago. The fact that America's conservative Vice President could have a homosexual daughter and the President congratulates them on her pregnancy- and on top of it they head the conservative party- shows where we will soon be if you and I don't take a strong stand against gay marriage.
Mary Cheney Eaten By Dinosaur
Im not sure what this means but it is something else to worry about
I know, he has said he is not interested, not running.
Instead, this thread is achieving the desired result by the left of smoking out the variety of attitudes on the issue, and making it a divisive point, and smearing VP Cheney through the use of his daughter's lifestyle to turn off social conservatives.
Many here who claim to be Conservatives, (certainly not social conservatives, anyway), run the gamut of approval to the "rest of us should just mind out own business".
They generally ignore the inherent instability in same-sex relationships and tell the rest of us that we are outmoded, old-fashioned, or just wrong to have any cultural standards whatsoever, despite evidence that if Mary Cheney's baby grows up to be a normal, healthy child and well-adjusted adult, Mary Cheney's baby will be more than a couple of standard deviations from the mean.
Tinkering with what is considered "normal" in our culture will do nothing to change the destruction perpetrated upon those who live in and are part of that culture, no more than defining the political Left as the "middle" has made it so.
As for the apologists, you may be right, this sort of thing may prevail. If so, may the God so many of you profess not to believe in help us all, we'll need it.
When the time comes for young men to defend the battlements and the gates, there will be few enough left as it is.
As for the rest of us, Mary Cheney is pregnant out of wedlock.
Aside from her position and lifestyle, she is otherwise unremarkable, joining millions of other women who are pregnant out of wedlock. Were she not gay and the daughter of a Republican Vice-President, this would be a complete non-story.
Her child will be just another bastard, to join the ranks of nearly countless bastard children.
"Marrying" her partner, even if she had done so beforehand, would not change that, she will still not have married the father.
Regardless of what you think of what she has done, it is the use of it to negate any position Dick Cheney might have had should no suitable candidate surface before 2008 that is the saddest part of all.
I have read several times in this thread that regardless of sex orientation, the important for the child is to have 2 loving parents. That makes me wonder, why 2 loving parents?. If a child is going to be raised by 2 women or 2 guys...why 2?. Because marriage nowadays is between 2 people?. Either I am failing to connect to dots or the "reasoning" of these people is not logical. Why not only 1 parent?. Why should a kid have the model roles of 2 women?. Or why not 3 parents to make it more complete?.
Mary Cheney's Pregnancy Affects Us All
Uh no, it really doesn't.
I suggest that Mary Cheney should renounce lesbianism, and take up with Liza Minellis ex husband. He is straight and available. Then they can produce a love child in a marriage that will be stable and solid for all the child's formative years. This 15 year relationship Mary Cheney has now is a passing fad. She really wants a man.
This reminds me of an incident that I actually eyewitnessed once at my nephew's birthday party, held at the beach. There was a lesbian couple with a boy, and the more masculine of the two was obviously the birth mother (they looked alike) however she treated him abominably, and her partner looked just wretched and embarassed.
We asked them if he could join our party and have some cake, and the "dad/mom" said no. It was obvious that she hated her son or maybe the fact he was male, I don't know. She just took it out on him every chance she got. I just remember thinking, what an abuser. I felt so horrible for the kid and for the woman's partner who was apparently helpless to do anything about it.
Absolutely. As a society we endorse child abuse in order to make ourselves **feel** better. Children NEED a woman and a man in the house raising them. Without the opposite sex (male or female) they are denied a VERY important role model. Even if the other woman tries to grunt like a man she can't be a man.
My guess is, he wouldn't come down on the libertarian side of this argument because he didn't feel "freedom" was a license to do whatever you felt like doing just because you felt like doing it. Utilitarianism was not his strong suit. Moral behavior and honorable conduct was.
"Freedom" can often mean the ability to do certain behaviors which in the long run are destructive to a functioning and moral society. I suppose that is the price we pay for living in a free society.
But that doesn't mean the long term consequences of unbridled libertarianism aren't pernicious - either individually or as a society. Nor does it mean any behavior one can manage to do and get away with is "right" or even good. Just because it is "right" in one's own eyes for whatever personally justified reason doesn't win it a Good Housekeeping Seal Of Approval. if there are no standards other than "if it feels good, do it", we are in long term trouble. That's the old Hippie standard, and it isn't a good one either for this country nor in the long run for those who hold it.
In 1789 this country marched to a different drummer, and that drummer wasn't the exhaultation of "self" over everything else. Have we "improved" with our new outlook, or are we as a society headed in the "wrong" direction?
I read two paragraphs and need read no more....what a load of horse &*(^.
What a totally stupid statement. It does not/will not affect any of the women I know.
Here are the facts which many here apparently ignore due to their personal bias:
Why did everybody ignore Cheney's pro gay history when Bush picked him in 2000?
Mary Cheney having a baby has ZILCH to do with her being a lesbian.
It is none of Concerned Women of America's (or yours) business.
I wish her well in her new status as mother. Here's hoping she sees the light because she will be a new mom.
I personally know of two families with children, that have broken up because one of the spouses comes out of the closet. It is a heart-wrenching break up for the family and it leaves the children on shaking ground, with both parents. Not to mention, it brings trauma on the children when trying to 'sort out' the facts.
I don't care if Mary Cheney has a baby. I hope the BABY will be received with love from all of the family... and lovingly supported by everyone from the moment of birth until forever.
I KNOW in my heart that Dick and Lynne Cheney love their daughter, and they will LOVE this grandchild, just as much as they would love another grandchild. They will not see this child differently. And I support them in their love for their daughter and this baby.
Life is HARD. And we need to remember that it is the CHILD that is important in all of this. The child will be received with love, same as any other.
Can someone please explain why we need to give the federal government the power and authority to police all families and enforce certain moral values? Sounds a lot like liberalism, except you replace the word "family values" with "social justice" as the reason why we need Momma Government to create paradise on Earth.
In fact, aren't we busy killing people in Iraq because they want to create a government exactly like that?
"Even if most gay parents did not abuse their children, 47% of molestation cases come from within the family: fathers, stepfathers, and uncles. Allowing gay marriage endangers many more children."
I DEMAND to be lesbian-adopted by Portia DiRossi.