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The Jewish Case For "Merry Christmas" (Don Feder Says Believe It Or Not, Its Good For Jews Alert)
Frontpagemag.com ^ | 12/07/2006 | Don Feder

Posted on 12/07/2006 1:01:42 AM PST by goldstategop

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To: Alouette
Yes, beheaded.

Hans and Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst were found guilty of treason and Roland Freisler, head judge of the court, sentenced them to death. The three were executed by guillotine the same day. All three were noted for the courage with which they faced their deaths, particularly Sophie.

Alexander Schmorell and Kurt Huber were beheaded on July 13, 1943, and Willi Graf on 12 October 1943.

21 posted on 12/07/2006 8:58:41 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Stand firm and hold to the Traditions"--- 2 Thess. 2:15--- because the Bible tells me so.)
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To: goldstategop

I agree with the posted Don Feder column, but I'm probably missing something here. Can you please explain the connection between the German Christmas carol "O Tannenbaum" (your post # 2) and why Jews should encourage the celebration of Christmas by Christians (your post # 1).


22 posted on 12/07/2006 9:03:08 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Alexander Rubin

There's hope. My children moved into public school this year in Mississauga, and when we went for parent-teacher interviews a week ago, there were trees and Santa and Christmas references everywhere. My 9 year old daughter showed me the song list for their concert, and lo, some traditional tunes are on the list - it was made up of kids requests.

Plus there was a Chanukkah poster on the entrance door (some reference to "faith forward in Peel" on it). My daughter is probably the only Jew in that school, but it made me feel good. Another positive sign - of the books they've read in class this year were "Number the Stars" and "Hana's Suitcase". Maybe it's an exception, but it's possible the pendulum is swinging to where it should be.


23 posted on 12/07/2006 9:26:33 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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To: sageb1; zgirl

When I was in high school choir, one of our favorite warm-up songs was "The Lord Bless You and Keep You". You probably couldn't get away with that today. We also used 1930's era hymnals for sight-reading. Zgirl can attest that on more than one occasion, singing "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" was a religious experience in itself. I remember very specifically feeling the very presence of G-d in the room when we were really tight.


24 posted on 12/07/2006 9:55:45 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: goldstategop

considering that 90% of the Jewish vote went to the Democrats in the last election, I don't think that there are very many religious Jews. Moral relativity, not God based morality seems to be the mission of 90% of the Jews in this country.


25 posted on 12/07/2006 11:12:14 AM PST by Eva
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To: zeugma

O Holy Night gives me that same feeling.

We went to a "Holiday Concert" at my grandsons' school last year. There was one Christmas song in the whole concert. Secular, of course.


26 posted on 12/07/2006 11:24:52 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: goldstategop

Agree with your take on this wholeheartedly. I am still waiting for soemone to ask if this PC crap offends me. YES IT DOES. Sorry, I am part of the 95% referred to in the article.


27 posted on 12/07/2006 12:00:10 PM PST by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: goldstategop

Agree with your take on this wholeheartedly. I am still waiting for soemone to ask if this PC crap offends me. YES IT DOES. Sorry, I am part of the 95% referred to in the article.


28 posted on 12/07/2006 12:00:10 PM PST by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: timsbella

That sounds great.


29 posted on 12/07/2006 12:24:56 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: kellynch

Generally, even vaguely religious people of Judeo-Christian denominations have more in common with each other than secular people these days.

I have more in common with faithful Catholics, Protestants and Evangelicals than I do with most JINOs.


30 posted on 12/07/2006 12:26:44 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Hans and Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst were found guilty of treason and Roland Freisler, head judge of the court, sentenced them to death.

That bastard Freisler was ultimately killed in an air raid.

31 posted on 12/07/2006 12:27:24 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

God Bless Don Feder


32 posted on 12/07/2006 12:28:31 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Mrs. Don-o; lizol

There were some truly great and righteous Bishops in Germany during the Holocaust and leading up to it. Some of the greatest anti-Nazi resistance was led by them.

Also, Father Maximilen Kolbe from Poland who's now a saint, but his name escapes me. A great hero of the Western tradition. He's probably my personal favourite. His story is in the Book of Virtues by William Bennett, which is a great book to read to kids. I read it when it came out.

Also, check out the link. Some heroic Polish heroes and martyrs. And also some who survived.

http://www.holycross.edu/departments/history/vlapomar/hiatt/opponent.htm


33 posted on 12/07/2006 12:40:02 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: goldstategop
So why should a Jew care if a store clerk says “Merry Christmas?”

From my experience they could care less , as long as nobody is trying to kill or convert them.
I grew up going to public school in a Jewish neighborhood and my grade school used to hang up Merry Christmas signs every year.

Yesterday I stopped into a local Shop & Bag store and on the front door there were Happy Hanukkah and Happy Quanza signs and back by the Deli counter there was a sign that read Seasons Greetings but nothing that said  Merry Christmas . Unfortunately I was running short on time and wasn't able to stop and talk to the manager but I plan on making some time latter on this week to ask him why not.
34 posted on 12/07/2006 12:57:15 PM PST by grjr21
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"My children moved into public school this year in Mississauga ..."

As we be talkin' the Peel Board, you be always keepin' your guard up FRiend.

Dunno if you're aware but, right up until she left for Ottawa in 1993, its Chair was the incredibly vile Carolyn Parrish. To say she left her mark is putting it mildly. If it's not the most communistic school board in all of Canada - which, personally, I'd be willing to argue - it would definitely make the top 10, if not top 2 or 3!, of any conservative who follows education fairly closely.

BTW, not that our local Catholic Board is all that much better:
Back in the 1980's, at a meeting of it's elementary teachers' union executive, a motion failed to carry be a single vote which would have imposed a compulsory additional dues checkoff on all of its members to provide on-going funding to the damned Sandinistas !!!
Straight goods - you can't make stuff like that up.
35 posted on 12/07/2006 1:10:40 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: sageb1; zeugma
See your O Holy Night (of which I too am very fond) & raise you adeste fideles at Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve.
Preferably with the initial verse sung acappella by reasonably good tenor and then all souls present kicking in joyfully and enthusiastically accompanied by the biggest honkin' organ possible!
I can smell the incense just thinking about it!
36 posted on 12/07/2006 1:47:33 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: goldstategop

You know, the fact that Feder felt the need to write this article, and Horowitz the need to publish it...says a lot. How utterly discouraging.


37 posted on 12/07/2006 3:12:40 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: timsbella

Glad to hear it (I'm just down the road in Hamilton). I have fond memories of Christmas plays and concerts I took part it as a child, with my parents watching, in costumes they helped make. This despite the fact that I was brought up in an essentially secular home with little awareness of things religious. Even my father, who was more or less atheist, as I am now, could see the value in the traditional message of Christianity and Christmas. Certainly wasn't offended by public displays of Christmas at all.


38 posted on 12/07/2006 3:51:29 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: zeugma

"singing "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" was a religious experience in itself."

Among the most beautiful pieces ever composed. Many choirs and chorales sing it after every rehearsal and after concerts.

One those pieces that if sung badly is good, if sung well will make good men cry and bad men sweat.


39 posted on 12/07/2006 4:21:23 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (DE)
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To: GMMAC

GMMAC, I need to tell you the Catholics have been especially kind to the Jews in Peel district. Our Hebrew school is run under the International Languages program within the Separate School system - the public schools wouldn't have us, even though are tax dollars are required to support them. My kids use your schools to have Hebrew learning (language and religious) twice a week - from preschool to grade ten. You are incredibly gracious and we are grateful. There may be crucifixes in the classrooms, but there are also mezzuzim on the doors.


40 posted on 12/07/2006 5:15:45 PM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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