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Baker wants Israel excluded from regional conference
Insight Magazine ^ | December 5, 2006

Posted on 12/06/2006 12:43:40 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

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To: Cicero

yes. americans jews didn't "vote for this" specifically, but 87% of them don't consider support for israel as one of their voting issues.

conservatives don't support israel as a domestic political issue - we support israel because is the right thing to do.


81 posted on 12/06/2006 1:25:56 PM PST by oceanview
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To: West Coast Conservative

This is a complete outrage! Decent people should have nothing to do with Baker and his proposal.


82 posted on 12/06/2006 1:26:59 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: A message
The sound bite they are playing on radio news is Baker saying" We have to talk to our enemies."

Maybe Baker should ask Neville Chamberlain how that "talking to our enemies" thing worked out for him.

83 posted on 12/06/2006 1:27:08 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SJackson

How about the US striking a deal without Wahabi Lobby pressure for a change?


84 posted on 12/06/2006 1:27:09 PM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The peace effort would begin with a U.S.-organized conference, dubbed Madrid-2, and contain such U.S. adversaries as Iran and Syria. Officials said Madrid-2 would be promoted as a forum to discuss Iraq's future, but actually focus on Arab demands for Israel to withdraw from territories captured in the 1967 war. They said Israel would not be invited to the conference.

James Baker, the slithery, slimey snake is shrewd enough to try to offer the terrorists and Arab countries what they really want - the elimination of Israel.

85 posted on 12/06/2006 1:27:26 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: West Coast Conservative
I wonder how big the bribe was for this report.
86 posted on 12/06/2006 1:27:31 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the Romans had nukes, Carthage would still be glowing.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

How about a debate on US issues without any Dems?


87 posted on 12/06/2006 1:27:38 PM PST by pabianice
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To: SJackson

(Gen 12:1 KJV) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee:

(Gen 12:2 KJV) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

(Gen 12:3 KJV) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Baker will get the U.S. Judged, he needs to be silenced immdiately.


88 posted on 12/06/2006 1:29:24 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
The peace effort would begin with a U.S.-organized conference, dubbed Madrid-2, and contain such U.S. adversaries as Iran and Syria. Officials said Madrid-2 would be promoted as a forum to discuss Iraq's future, but actually focus on Arab demands for Israel to withdraw from territories captured in the 1967 war. They said Israel would not be invited to the conference.

Is this 'THE' Peace Agreement?

89 posted on 12/06/2006 1:30:47 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Slings and Arrows

You forgot the last part of the Baker Doctrine:

"And collect a nice paycheck from said enemies to do so."


90 posted on 12/06/2006 1:31:05 PM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: SJackson
Iraq Study Group: Selling Israel Down the River

The Truth Laid Bear has the Iraq Study Group document in linkable form. The sections dealing with Israel are especially troubling, but not surprising given Baker’s history. All these recommendations stem from a basis of complete fantasy, in which Israel’s Arab neighbors are genuinely interested in peace and all we have to do to get it is ask them the right way.

It proposes that Israel return the Golan Heights to Syria, and pull back to its 1967 borders.

RECOMMENDATION 16: In exchange for these actions and in the context of a full and secure peace agreement, the Israelis should return the Golan Heights, with a U.S. security guarantee for Israel that could include an international force on the border, including U.S. troops if requested by both parties.

RECOMMENDATION 17: Concerning the Palestinian issue, elements of that negotiated peace should include:

* Adherence to UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 and to the principle of land for peace, which are the only bases for achieving peace.

Iraq Study Group: Selling Israel Down the River

The Truth Laid Bear has the Iraq Study Group document in linkable form. The sections dealing with Israel are especially troubling, but not surprising given Baker’s history. All these recommendations stem from a basis of complete fantasy, in which Israel’s Arab neighbors are genuinely interested in peace and all we have to do to get it is ask them the right way.

It proposes that Israel return the Golan Heights to Syria, and pull back to its 1967 borders.

RECOMMENDATION 16: In exchange for these actions and in the context of a full and secure peace agreement, the Israelis should return the Golan Heights, with a U.S. security guarantee for Israel that could include an international force on the border, including U.S. troops if requested by both parties.

RECOMMENDATION 17: Concerning the Palestinian issue, elements of that negotiated peace should include:

* Adherence to UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 and to the principle of land for peace, which are the only bases for achieving peace.

Iraq Study Group: Selling Israel Down the River

The Truth Laid Bear has the Iraq Study Group document in linkable form. The sections dealing with Israel are especially troubling, but not surprising given Baker’s history. All these recommendations stem from a basis of complete fantasy, in which Israel’s Arab neighbors are genuinely interested in peace and all we have to do to get it is ask them the right way.

It proposes that Israel return the Golan Heights to Syria, and pull back to its 1967 borders.

RECOMMENDATION 16: In exchange for these actions and in the context of a full and secure peace agreement, the Israelis should return the Golan Heights, with a U.S. security guarantee for Israel that could include an international force on the border, including U.S. troops if requested by both parties.

RECOMMENDATION 17: Concerning the Palestinian issue, elements of that negotiated peace should include:

* Adherence to UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 and to the principle of land for peace, which are the only bases for achieving peace.

Iraq Study Group: Selling Israel Down the River

The Truth Laid Bear has the Iraq Study Group document in linkable form. The sections dealing with Israel are especially troubling, but not surprising given Baker’s history. All these recommendations stem from a basis of complete fantasy, in which Israel’s Arab neighbors are genuinely interested in peace and all we have to do to get it is ask them the right way.

It proposes that Israel return the Golan Heights to Syria, and pull back to its 1967 borders.

RECOMMENDATION 16: In exchange for these actions and in the context of a full and secure peace agreement, the Israelis should return the Golan Heights, with a U.S. security guarantee for Israel that could include an international force on the border, including U.S. troops if requested by both parties.

RECOMMENDATION 17: Concerning the Palestinian issue, elements of that negotiated peace should include:

* Adherence to UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 and to the principle of land for peace, which are the only bases for achieving peace.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=23570_Iraq_Study_Group-_Selling_Israel_Down_the_River&only

91 posted on 12/06/2006 1:31:48 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: SJackson

Sorry..I posted it 3 times.


92 posted on 12/06/2006 1:33:21 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: dfwgator
Maybe Baker should ask Neville Chamberlain how that "talking to our enemies" thing worked out for him.

History is awash with fools who thought they could make nice with their enemies.

93 posted on 12/06/2006 1:33:56 PM PST by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: A message

Chamberlain - "Peace in our time."
Hitler - "Our enemies are little worms, I saw them in Munich."


94 posted on 12/06/2006 1:34:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: oceanview

Yes, standing by Israel is an important issue for many, including me. But it is also a genuinely conservative issue not to behave with weakness toward our announced enemies. Especially not the Arabs, who are extremely quick to exploit weakness. It's their main game.


95 posted on 12/06/2006 1:34:37 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SJackson
From today's Iraq report, one of five key points Baker says must be addressed between Israel and Palestine:

"Sustainable negotiations leading to a final peace settlement along the lines of President Bush's two-state solution, which would address the key final status issues of borders, settlements, Jerusalem, the right of return and the end of conflict."

96 posted on 12/06/2006 1:35:12 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: West Coast Conservative
“I would look at an entirely new strategy,” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said. “We have clearly failed in the last three years to achieve the kind of outcome we want.”

I haven't been able to see that we really had a strategy at all the last couple years. Which might be the problem.

97 posted on 12/06/2006 1:36:20 PM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: Cecily
How about the US striking a deal without Wahabi Lobby pressure for a change?

Fine with me. I've been complaining about a Saudi lawyer acting on behalf of the US government for a couple years, since he first became in Iraqi reconstruction (Anyone remember that?)

98 posted on 12/06/2006 1:36:37 PM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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To: SJackson
How can you be so sure? In my worst nightmare I would have never dreamed that baker would suggest that Israel give up the Golan Heights to appease her enemies.

With illegal aliens, I believe the genie is already out of the bottle on that one.

My faith in the leaders in this country has never been so low from Bush to the paper pushers who work for them in both houses.

99 posted on 12/06/2006 1:38:41 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: hipaatwo
Sorry..I posted it 3 times.

That's okay. I just thought the study group offered three different versions of the truth.

100 posted on 12/06/2006 1:39:15 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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