Navy rejects San Francisco for warship commissioning ceremony

North County Times/The Californian ^ | Saturday, December 2, 2006 | Associated Press

[bill1952]

So their elections were fraudlent?


Touche!

[tanknetter]

I asked because I noticed that Arleigh Burkes displace 9200 tons and are around 508 ft in length, almost the same as light cruisers during WW II. Ticonderoga-class cruisers looks similar to Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, in shape and size as well. What differentiates them?

The designations have been messed up since the 1960s or so. What we currently call a "frigate" was originally typed as a "destroyer escort" (basically a single-screwed ship somewhat smaller than a Destroyer used for convoy escort duty). In the late 1950s/early 1960s "frigate" was an unofficial designation used for ships called "Destroyer Leaders" that fell in somewhere between Destroyers and Cruisers.

When the WWII-era cruisers started decommissioning, the Destroyer Leaders/"Frigates" (Leahys/Belknaps and their nuclear cousins Bainbridge and Truxton) were reclassed as "cruisers" -- probably just as a means of preserving the type designation and their "captain"-level at-sea billets.

The Ticonderoga-class Aegis cruisers, such as the Antietam, were originally designated as Destroyers - and they were built using the same hull/machinery as the Spruance-class Destroyers and Kidd-class guided missile destroyers. They were reclassed as "cruisers" probably as a combination of their expanded capabilities plus the desire to retain the "cruiser" type after the decommissioning of the former Destroyer Leaders ... Confused enough now? It could be worse ... we could be discussing naming, rather than designation, conventions!

[Rb ver. 2.0]

Did Michael Moore walk across that bridge?

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Maybe the pro American elements would be better served in San Diego.Move south people their is no saving the san fransico $hithole. What is so damn hard about that?

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Sure,if the civialian control respects the military which in the case of that $hithole does not.Why spend money where you are not appreciated?

[rmlew]

I think the DD-21 Zimwalt class is even more fun.
It will have two 155mm guns in the first spiral. This is the equivalent of a cruiser. Some people have suggested that later ships will have mass drivers. These ships will be used for shore bombardment. That isn't a destroyer; it's a batleship or monitor.

Meanwhile the new Littoral Combat ship, at least in anti-submarine configurations looks like a frigate to me.