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Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation ^ | December 3,2006 | Schindler Foundation

Posted on 12/03/2006 3:03:26 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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To: BykrBayb
>> liberals defend the terrorists who want to kill them.

Liberals instinctively, habitually, attack all bulwarks of civilization and defend all enemies of civilization. They always, always, always side with the abnormal and the diseased against the healthy, the normal, the good. The only way to make sense of these patterns is that deep down, the Left hates God, makes war against His creatures, and loves death.

I trust this answers all of your philosophy questions for years to come :-) :-)

1,781 posted on 01/26/2007 5:58:44 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: bjs1779
The Nazis called them "mentally defective." Our society calls them "vegetables."

From September 1, 1939 to September 1, 1941 the Nazis exterminated about 33% of their "mental defectives." Source. That's an average of 16.5% annually.

In 2000 we starved and dehydrated 11% of our "vegetables" to death. In 2001 we starved and dehydrated 11.4% of our "vegetables" to death. Source. I don't have figures for the "vegetables" we exterminated using other methods. In light of the facts that the percentage was rising each year up to the last year for which we have data, and in the years since then legislation has shifted farther toward exterminating "vegetables," I think it's a safe bet that the percentage has gone up some. Add to that the fact that starvation/dehydration is not the only method we use to exterminate "vegetables" and you have to wonder how many we exterminated last year. I wonder how close we are to the 16.5% extermination rate of the Nazis. Have we passed them yet?

1,782 posted on 01/26/2007 11:48:13 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: T'wit

That explanation would certainly fit the people I had in mind. I'll accept that answer. Yeah, I do think that explains everything. Thank you!


1,783 posted on 01/26/2007 11:50:10 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
Here's a classic case of what I was talking about. Not a month ago, the Left wailed and raged for a week at the execution of a cruel mass murderer -- Saddam Hussein. We all saw it and heard it. The whole Left, worldwide, sided with a man who killed thousands with poison gas, who had political enemies machine-gunned and buried in mass graves, who threw living men into garbage compactors and raped their women.

Wiser counsel, expressed several ways, is: "You are known by the company you keep." Lie down with the dogs, wake up smelling like dogs." "Do not be misled: Bad company corrupts good character" (1 Corinthians 15:33).

The Left may or may not realize it, but Saddam Hussein is now the dead chicken tied around their neck. They sought the association themselves.

1,784 posted on 01/27/2007 3:06:24 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb
>> The Nazis called them "mentally defective." Our society calls them "vegetables."

Good observation!

The only difference between then and now is that the Germans were a lot more candid and honest about their intentions. Our own Nazis say "choice" when they mean killing babies, and "changing the course of treatment" when they mean dehydrating / starving grandma to death.

Translation: "60,000 Reichsmarks is what this person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community during his lifetime. Fellow German, that is your money, too..."

1,785 posted on 01/27/2007 3:21:36 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb

I will defend "The Republican", though, a news source which always gets out the new info first and fairly accurately. Sometimes they are the only ones. The rest bury the DSS blood lust completely or just cover it in understatement.


1,786 posted on 01/27/2007 3:26:14 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
This was excerpted from ProLifeBlogs this morning, essence of Bobby Schindler's recent speech.

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As the mainstream media editorialize outgoing Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, I can’t help but compare their opposition to the 34-minute execution of convicted killer Angel Diaz with their support of the 14-day execution of my sister, Terri Schiavo....

Orlando Sentinel, 12-28-06

[Gov. Jeb Bush's] intervention in the Terri Schiavo fiasco, without even talking to her husband, was unconscionable.

News-press.com, 12-19-06

Gov. Jeb Bush was wise to suspend executions and order the review of lethal injection procedures after the bungled execution of a convicted murderer last week.......................

If only my sister were a convicted murderer

8mm


1,787 posted on 01/27/2007 3:38:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
More discussion on the Catholic Church and feeding tubes and legal documents...

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Many signers cite Terry Schiavo, whose case sparked a 15-year legal battle that grew beyond her family all the way to the White House over whether she should be allowed to die.

SCHIAVO DEATH

LIKENED TO MURDER

In a persistent vegetative state, her husband ordered her feeding tube removed against her parents' vehement opposition, and she died in 2005. Some, including the Vatican, likened her death to murder.

"I don't think I have any right as a Catholic to say when my life should end," Kelly said. "I don't think I have a right to take my own life, a right to take anyone else's life, and I certainly don't want anyone taking my own life."

Schiavo case impacts church advice

8mm

1,788 posted on 01/27/2007 3:50:12 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: BykrBayb; bjs1779; 8mmMauser
Sermon Delivered by Bishop Clemens August Count of Galen on August 3, 1941

( The Third Sermon, preached in the Church of St. Lambert's on August 3rd, 1941, in which the Bishop attacks the Nazi practice of euthanasia and condemns the ‘mercy killings’ taking place in his own diocese. Note: Some words were printed in boldface by this website.)

Excerpt:

>>For the past several months it has been reported that, on instructions from Berlin, patients who have been suffering for a long time from apparently incurable diseases have been forcibly removed from homes and clinics. Their relatives are later informed that the patient has died, that the body has been cremated and that the ashes may be claimed. There is little doubt that these numerous cases of unexpected death in the case of the insane are not natural, but often deliberately caused, and result from the belief that it is lawful to take away life which is unworthy of being lived.

>>This ghastly doctrine tries to justify the murder of blameless men and would seek to give legal sanction to the forcible killing of invalids, cripples, the incurable and the incapacitated. I have discovered that the practice here in Westphalia is to compile lists of such patients who are to be removed elsewhere as ‘unproductive citizens,’ and after a period of time put to death.

As a direct result of this sermon, Hitler suspended the gassings of the Aktion T4 euthanasia program three weeks later. However, T4 quietly continued to kill "defective" patients with drugs and starvation.

According to one source, Hans and Sophie Scholl quoted one of Bishop Galen's homilies in a White Rose leaflet.

1,789 posted on 01/27/2007 3:59:23 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> "In a persistent vegetative state, her husband ordered her feeding tube removed..."

No, no, Terri was the one supposedly in a PVS. Michael is in a persistent immoral state. That's different.

1,790 posted on 01/27/2007 4:06:50 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: All; EternalVigilance; narses; T'wit; bjs1779; BykrBayb
Eternal Vigilance has an excellent thread on a view by Helen Valois whose articles we have posted in the past. Thanks, narses.

National security v. national identity

Let's say a masked gunman is testily aiming an automatic weapon at two helpless hostages — an able-bodied man, and a trembling toddler. "Please, I beg of you," the grown-up implores, hands held high in the air, "if you must mow somebody down, by all means, make it him. I ardently hope that neither one of us has to die, but if push comes to shove, well, frankly . . ."

Now, what kind of person would take such a stance? What kind of a country would? And yet, with the 34th anniversary of the unconstitutional Roe v. Wade decision upon us, that is approximately the attitude being urged upon those Americans still concerned about the survival of our democratic republic at all — not by liberals, mind you, but by some of conservatism's leading spokespersons. I'll explain.............

An assessment of the role of Roe in the 2008 presidential election

8mm

1,791 posted on 01/27/2007 4:09:40 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> whether she should be allowed to die.

Jack the Ripper "allowed" lots of people to die with his knife. Why doesn't he get awards for his compassion?

1,792 posted on 01/27/2007 4:12:22 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit

Michael suffers from Intention Deficiency Syndrome.


1,793 posted on 01/27/2007 4:14:28 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; BykrBayb
Memories of the White Rose by George J. Wittenstein, M. D.: The Leaflets

Recollections of a White Rose member who survived. This is part two of four, but all four are recommended for history of the White Rose.

1,794 posted on 01/27/2007 6:01:49 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb
Here is another explanation, quoted verbatim:

>> "Behind the concrete, the visible events, behind all objective, logical considerations, we find the irrational element: The struggle against the demon, against the servants of the Antichrist. Everywhere and at all times demons have been lurking in the dark, waiting for the moment when man is weak; when of his own volition he leaves his place in the order of Creation as founded for him by God in freedom; when he yields to the force of evil, separates himself from the powers of a higher order; and after voluntarily taking the first step, he is driven on to the next and the next at a furiously accelerating rate. Everywhere and at all times of greatest trial men have appeared, prophets and saints who cherished their freedom, who preached the One God and who His help brought the people to a reversal of their downward course. Man is free, to be sure, but without the true God he is defenseless against the principle of evil. He is a like rudderless ship, at the mercy of the storm, an infant without his mother, a cloud dissolving into thin air." -- White Rose Leaflet #4.

1,795 posted on 01/27/2007 6:21:34 AM PST by T'wit ("Man is free, to be sure, but without the true God he is defenseless against the principle of evil.")
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Michael suffers from Intention Deficiency Syndrome.

Michael also suffers from Sudden Selective Amnesia Syndrome, but it only occurs when he opens his mouth.

1,796 posted on 01/27/2007 6:27:48 AM PST by T'wit ("Man is free, to be sure, but without the true God he is defenseless against the principle of evil.")
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To: T'wit

Bwahaha! The editor in you never sleeps, does it? Good catch.


1,797 posted on 01/27/2007 8:45:48 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
One did not have to read far to see that this AP writer is a boob. Look at one sentence:

>> Many signers [name one] cite Terry [Terri] Schiavo, whose case sparked a 15-year [7-year] legal battle that grew beyond her family all the way to the White House [Congress] over whether she should be allowed to die. [be put to death by dehydration/starvation.]

That kind of lazy, false reporting helped murder an innocent woman.

1,798 posted on 01/27/2007 10:40:38 PM PST by T'wit ("Man is free, to be sure, but without the true God he is defenseless against the principle of evil.")
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To: BykrBayb

bttt


1,799 posted on 01/27/2007 10:52:02 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: All
Shoah survivor to speak on Nazi doctors
Bioethics topic of March 6 Maimonides Society gathering

A child survivor of the Holocaust who went on to become a physician and professor at the UCLA School of Medicine will discuss "Nazi Medical Research and Bioethics" at the March 6 gathering of the Maimonides Society.

Dr. Alfred Pasternak will speak to Portland-area health care professionals at a dinner meeting at the Mittleman Jewish Community Center.

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Pasternak is the author of "Inhuman Research, Medical Experiments in German Concentration Camps."

The Hungarian Academy of Sciences Web site (www.mta.hu) reports that Pasternak said he wrote the book "to erect a memorial to his loved ones, 96 in all, whom he had lost in the Holocaust, … as well as (to) warn the medical profession about the ease with which doctors could lose their bearings amid inhuman principles gaining ground around them." [emphasis mine]

-snip-

This Holocaust survivor seems to understand the lessons of The Holocaust, and the meaning of "never again."

1,800 posted on 01/27/2007 11:32:54 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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