Posted on 11/22/2006 8:16:37 PM PST by AdamSelene235
Except that so many die taking them.
Your quote from back in October: "I remember a retired black pastor in Boston who died in one of these raids. They had the wrong house."
Did he too get what he deserved?
"I remember an east coast southern couple with a dog being pulled over in their car and their dog shot as the cops chased after a fictitious robbery based on a phone call from an idiot."
Did they get what they deserved?
"I remember four plain clothes cops (three of which were rookies) pumping 41 bullets into a black man as he tried to get into his apartment building. They thought his keys were a gun."
Did he get what he deserved?
I'm reserving judgement on this one. Too many unknowns.
I know but there has to be a better way. Maybe wait them out and detain them while a search done?
THEY break into her house, she defends herself, and SHE got what she deserved? What if they were real criminals? Would you be saying she got what she deserved then for defending herself against them?
I'd say the cops got what they deserved and they're lucky to be alive. She isn't. This isn't a police state.... yet.
Perhaps. But my gut tells me this woman was prepared for cops coming to her door for a reason and I will admit I could be wrong. I'd rather wait and get further info.
Even if she was the ring leader, shouldn't they have known who was in the house? She couldn't stay in there for ever and old people are not going to flush their drugs:')
Except that so many die taking them.
That's their choice. They know the risks. Better them than innocent citizens.
I really don't know.
I'm sober. I'm an Independent so that means I can go with the best parts of all parties. Libertarians have some interesting ideas. I like a few of them. What I really am though, is an advocate for the elderly.
You know, if this were an isolated incident, this whole thing would be a different matter. Problem is, there's just too many instances of this kind of thing happening. One or two tragic mistakes are one thing and shouldn't be unexpected. There are too many reports like this for my comfort.
There have got to be better ways of catching and dealing with drug dealers. This method is not worth the cost in innocent human lives.
In a way, it's like the kid in CA who was tasered by the cops because he refused to show ID in the college library. Immediately thereafter, there were protests against the cops' actions. For the wrong reasons. But then we find out that one of the cops involved has had issues with being over-zealous. Was this a legit action by the cops involved or did they have cause? Rather than a knee-jerk reaction by anyone, I want to know the facts.
Good. Because I'm getting there. ;)
I understand but I'm saying either way, if she was innocent or guilty, there has to be a better way that would prevent 3 officers from getting shot and a homeowner killed.
Aren't we all:')
You too Bud:') Wouldn't you rather be living independently , and armed at 92, instead of being spoonfed oatmeal in a nursing home? Peace.
Cindy, I don't know what the answer is. In this case, assuming they did have the right house, bullhorns, maybe? While the dealer inside the house flushes it all? Perhaps the cops were over-zealous. Perhaps the lady's child/relative/whatever could have considered that he was putting her in danger in the first place.
That would be me. :)
Your quote from back in October: "I remember a retired black pastor in Boston who died in one of these raids. They had the wrong house."
Did he too get what he deserved?
"I remember an east coast southern couple with a dog being pulled over in their car and their dog shot as the cops chased after a fictitious robbery based on a phone call from an idiot."
Did they get what they deserved?
"I remember four plain clothes cops (three of which were rookies) pumping 41 bullets into a black man as he tried to get into his apartment building. They thought his keys were a gun."
Did he get what he deserved?
Not the same. The Boston cops raided the wrong address. The traffic stop was based on incredibly bad testimony of a telephone caller. The New York shooting followed Clinton's addition of 100,000 mismanaged and inexperience police to the streets.
In this case, an undercover cop bought drugs from this household. They had very good probable cause. All the dopey Libertarians are crying foul because of the war on drugs. I say she got what she deserved because she in all probability knew drugs were sold from her premises. She wanted a gun to protect herself from local competition or hoodlums who knew she dealt. She especially got what she deserved because she shot first without any warning and continued to shoot men wearing the customary POLICE vests until shot dead. she made her choices in life. There are consequences for bad choices.
Leave it to the likes of the "law 'n' order", you have nothing to fear from cops crowd at FR, and we will be a police state.
BTW, so far only one of the KGB wannabes has defended the police actions. Their main argument is that if you oppose police abuse, you must be a drug-crazed Libertarian. Better a drug-crazed Libertarian than a power mad thug with guns, handcuffs, and the keys to the jail house.
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