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Can the Neocons Get Their Groove Back?
Washington Post ^ | 19 November 2006 | Joshua Muravchik

Posted on 11/19/2006 6:51:55 AM PST by shrinkermd

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Of course, it's BS. Just like Wilson, neocon advocate supreme role of the League of Nations(aka the UN), disarmament, welcoming communists (err...Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Axis) into the community of nations... They also pushed to wait for 3 years (while Europe bled) to declare war...

Whatever, dude.
61 posted on 11/20/2006 11:25:05 AM PST by alecqss
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A neoconservative is a former leftist. His goals have changed, but his methods have not, and in particular, his belief in the ability of government to improve the human condition has not. In outlook, the "paleo" conservative is modest; the neoconservative is bold. The paleocon recognizes that human nature is immutable, and human evil is a permanent fact of life. The neocon believes, as a leftist does, that the right government policies can overcome evil and eliminate it - he simply differs with his former collegues on the left as to what those policies ought to be.

In foreign policy, the neocon believes that democracy will lead to public virtue (somehow) through the "empowerment" of communitarian groups. In reality, public virtue is an individual choice that both requires and feeds an appreciation for liberty, which democracy is established to protect. The neocon seeks to change enemies into allies. The paleocon seeks to reward allies and punish enemies, and lets other countries choose on that basis which they want to be.

In domestic policy, the neocon favors faith- or market-based government initiatives in lieu of old-style bureaucratic programs to provide for people's needs, and he favors tax-based rather than spending-based fiscal stimuli to keep the economy growing. The old-fashioned conservative believes that people can and should provide for their own needs, and favors balancing the budget (at the lowest possible level of expenditure) and letting the economy find its own equilibrium.

Iraq is a textbook neocon policy, at least the occupation is. Purgue the Baathists, establish an American-style constitution, hold elections, and a thousand flowers will bloom. Of course it failed - how could it not? There is no tradition of public virtue in Iraq, not even an idea of it (apart from a few expatriates). Iraqis are loyal only to their tribes and are willing to lie, cheat, steal, and murder to gain an advantage for their tribe. What they are not willing to do, since Islam teaches them not to, is negotiate in good faith with other tribes and reach a compromise. The neocons' failure to recognize the immutable (at least in the short term) nature of the Iraqi people is of a piece with the leftists' failure to recognize the unconquerable evil of terrorists who will always want to kill anyone who is not moslem, regardless of how many of their ever-shifting demands are met.

Hopefully America's predictable failure in Iraq will be the first nail in the coffin of neoconservatism. A wiser policy in Iraq is to recognize that nobody there is really our ally, and frankly every moslem that dies in sectarian war is one less potential terrorist. After invading Iraq - which was a good idea, not for the reasons given by neoconservatives, but simply to prove to the moslem world that we could and would punish our enemies - we should have left immediately and let the Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds go at it. America should have stood on the sidelines, encouraging the parties to keep fighting, prompting other moslems to join in, and expanding the conflict throughout the moslem world to the greatest degree possible, with the greatest possible amount of destruction and loss of (moslem) life. And that's what we should do now. Defeat Islam, protect America first.

And send the neoconservatives packing.


62 posted on 11/20/2006 10:33:36 PM PST by tvdog12345
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Excellent post! In few hundred words you delineate neo from paleo with ease and clarity. I shrink a little at the idea of allowing the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds to go at murdering each other; however, it is probably a reasonable strategy considering what has happened.

You should do this for a living. Regards


63 posted on 11/21/2006 5:11:34 AM PST by shrinkermd
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