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CA: The 2005 Arnold sure is missed
Daily Breeze ^ | November 17, 2006 | Shawn Steel

Posted on 11/18/2006 8:36:44 AM PST by calcowgirl

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1 posted on 11/18/2006 8:36:48 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
I don't want to hear any laments about Arnold from Shawn Steel. HE was Chairman during the Recall. As a lifelong conservative and former YAFfer, HE could have come out swinging for McClintock.

He sold out all of his years of great work to make the New Majority donors happy.

2 posted on 11/18/2006 8:43:44 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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Yep! I didn't vote for Arnold the first time - I think Tom would have made a much better Gov.

And .. I only voted for Arnold this time because THERE WAS NO OTHER CHOICE.


3 posted on 11/18/2006 8:51:42 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: calcowgirl

That Arnold is long and forever gone. The FAILURE of the electorate to support his initiatives in 2005 convinced him (correctly so, I might add) that the majority of electorate DOES NOT WANT conserviative policy. Conservatatives have no-one to blame but themselves, just like two weeks ago.


4 posted on 11/18/2006 8:53:32 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I share your disappointment and frustration, but at this point I welcome any voices that will try to rein in the monster that was created.

FYI... Daucher now down by 783. :-(


5 posted on 11/18/2006 8:53:54 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Saw that. Someone needs to be horsewhipped.


6 posted on 11/18/2006 9:01:22 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Give me a break! The initiatives were hardly "conservative" and the inherent flaws, along with the inept, arrogant, combative campaign was the reason for their failure.


7 posted on 11/18/2006 9:04:52 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
the majority of electorate DOES NOT WANT conserviative policy

That's the liberal media spin. The fact is the initiatives on the 2005 special election ballot were far from simple conservative policy that the voters could relate to. It was arcane political in-speak stuff that voters just shrugged their shoulders about.

As evidence, only 18% of California's voters said NO to those initiatives. Those represent the union hack die hards, the rest either said YES or shrugged their shoulders and stayed home. That's Arnold and his campaign team's fault for not crafting a clear concise message.

Here's a great article on that subject:

http://www.cppf.us/OnlineOriginals/Columns/2005/12Dec05/120205FD.html

8 posted on 11/18/2006 9:06:55 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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... That's Arnold and his campaign team's fault for not crafting a clear concise message. ...

There was no possibility of a clear and concise message with the ilk and the cannibalistic conservatives muddying the water, dividing the base and disgusting and demoralizing potential voters.

9 posted on 11/18/2006 9:14:29 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; calcowgirl
That Arnold is long and forever gone.

I'm not convinced that Arnold ever existed to begin with.

10 posted on 11/18/2006 9:37:14 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: calcowgirl

The real problem that I think people overlook is that Arnorld is NOT a conservative!, although he is probably as close to one as it is possible to elect in the Peoples Liberal Democratic Republic of Kalifornia. The Kalifornia liberals think he is some form of Genghis Khan yet most of his policies tilt more toward the liberal point of view than they even realize. I mean a Pro Gun Control "conservative"?

I don't think that it is probably possible for a true conservative to be elected (at least to the Governor's mansion) in the Peoples Liberal Democratic Republic of Kalifornia.











11 posted on 11/18/2006 9:41:42 AM PST by Mtner77
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Parental notification, not conservative?

Paycheck protection, not conservative?

Tougher teacher tenure requirements, not conservative?

12 posted on 11/18/2006 8:13:18 PM PST by newzjunkey (Speaker Pelosi thanks you, cannibalistic conservatives.)
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"Give me a break! The initiatives were hardly "conservative" and the inherent flaws, along with the inept, arrogant, combative campaign was the reason for their failure."

So Arnold didn't fight hard enough this year but was too combative last year?

Paycheck protection, parental notification, tougher requirements for teacher tenure aren't conservative?

I notice you don't give a syllable of mention to the 100 million of union borrowing and dues which attacked Arnold at every level throughout 2005.

13 posted on 11/18/2006 8:16:39 PM PST by newzjunkey (Speaker Pelosi thanks you dear cannibalistic conservatives.)
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Parental notification, not conservative? Paycheck protection, not conservative? Tougher teacher tenure requirements, not conservative?

You are rambling. Maybe a little too much White Zinfandel over breakfast at the Country Club?

14 posted on 11/18/2006 8:29:35 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: ElkGroveDan; calcowgirl
"As a co-founder of the Gray Davis recall"

Hey! I remember listening to he and Melanie Morgan hatch the Recall one morning on KSFO and so many "Republicans" (Tim Leslie in particular) just snorted at Steel and the idea of a Recall!!!

I don't really disagree with what you said, but at least Shawn spells his first name the American way and not the "old european" way!!! (grin)

16 posted on 11/18/2006 8:43:09 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to FreeRepublic.com! The world's foremost site for CONSERTAVIES!!!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; calcowgirl
"...conserviative policy. Conservatatives have no-one to blame but themselves, just like two weeks ago."

Since you can no longer spell conservatives... having blown it twice in two sentences above, check my tagline for the correct spelling from here on out, ok? (snart!)

17 posted on 11/18/2006 8:50:18 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to FreeRepublic.com! The world's foremost site for CONSERTAVIES!!!)
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"The Kalifornia liberals think he is some form of Genghis Khan"

Sorry. Only scary John Kerry (who served in Vietnam by the way) believes that of who everyone else in CA knows is Conan the Barbarian!!! (who sleeps with a Kennedy!)(smirk)

18 posted on 11/18/2006 8:56:38 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to FreeRepublic.com! The world's foremost site for CONSERTAVIES!!!)
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So Arnold didn't fight hard enough this year but was too combative last year?

Arnold fought plenty hard this year--For himself and for Big-Government Borrowing. He did nothing for the downticket (unless you count the negative effect of sliming McClintock in highly publicized campaign events).

Paycheck protection, parental notification, tougher requirements for teacher tenure aren't conservative?

Arnold did not consider parental notification as one of "his" intitiatives. Remember it was Prop 75, 75, 76, and 77 that he campaigned for. We've been through this before, NJ, proposition by proposition. Do I really have to repeat it all again (just for you to cut tail and run with no reply, as usual)?

I notice you don't give a syllable of mention to the 100 million of union borrowing and dues which attacked Arnold at every level throughout 2005.

Why should I? Union opposition to something (restraints on dues and reduced tenure) does not alone make something "conservative".

19 posted on 11/18/2006 9:04:40 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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... Now stop trying to blame everyone else ...

Not everyone, just the ilk. You know, the ones you're following.

20 posted on 11/18/2006 9:19:34 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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