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Speculation: Microsoft will probably start selling/distributing linux soon
royans.net ^ | Nov 13, 2006 | royans.net

Posted on 11/13/2006 1:51:43 PM PST by bigdcaldavis

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To: antiRepublicrat

"I once had a friend who couldn't get the integrated wireless in his laptop to work. Knowing how these things go from experience, I started from the bottom and asked him to confirm that his laptop actually had integrated wireless. It didn't."

Now that's kinda funny. I installed the card myself...

:)


161 posted on 11/14/2006 7:26:27 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: FLAMING DEATH; Golden Eagle

Under two bucks for a brand new wireless HP notebook? What a deal! GE would like to order 5,000 of them for his organization to replace their old Dells.


162 posted on 11/14/2006 7:32:38 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I once had a friend who couldn't get the integrated wireless in his laptop to work. Knowing how these things go from experience, I started from the bottom and asked him to confirm that his laptop actually had integrated wireless. It didn't.

LOL! That would certainly make things difficult.


 

163 posted on 11/14/2006 7:33:08 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: antiRepublicrat
Like Apple?

Outside of desktop publishing, where is Apple gaining ground? Is anyone running thier corporate infrastructure on Apple? By the way, many businesses that were running their prod site on Linux servers are now pulling out and going back to Windows, myself included. It is just too much trouble trying to find qualified people to support that infrastructure that aren't total PITA's to work with.

164 posted on 11/14/2006 7:34:03 AM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: MikefromOhio

165 posted on 11/14/2006 7:38:41 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
ok, lets try this:


166 posted on 11/14/2006 7:43:34 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: antiRepublicrat; Golden Eagle; rzeznikj at stout
GE, you may want to know that well set-up networks give very few of the administrators full rights to everything. As a matter of principle, smart security people keep the number of those with full-boat privileges to an absolute minimum. Other admins will have rights to deal with what they normally deal with.

Exactly right. Especially when working with the military, as I do.

But don't tell Iggle that, he wouldn't understand it anyway. It's not like he's ever worked on a network before.
167 posted on 11/14/2006 8:37:42 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

If there was a way to copy that and photoshop a picture of an Iggle on it.....

:)

hmmmmmmmmm.....


168 posted on 11/14/2006 8:38:24 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: cspackler
Outside of desktop publishing, where is Apple gaining ground?

I don't believe Apple is gaining any ground in desktop publishing, especially since the big Adobe products aren't intel-native for the new Macs.

Their general marketshare went up far more than any other PC manufacturer in the last year. OS X gave Apple a solid BSD server and all the server software that comes with it. Apple just made it brain-dead easy to set up and administer at a very low cost (check out OS X Server unlimited client price vs. Windows 2003 Server 25 client). As far as clients, using their relatively cheap server software to manage thousands of clients (including remote assistance, monitoring and updates) is also brain-dead easy.

Is anyone running thier corporate infrastructure on Apple?

Yes. We have a FReeper who supports business installs on Mac and Windows, and admittedly doesn't make as much money for Mac service calls. Aside from that, Apple's servers are popular in supercomputing clusters due to their hardware, UNIX base and the supercomputing tools that Apple ships, which make setting up a cluster, again, brain-dead.

169 posted on 11/14/2006 9:03:30 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: MikefromOhio
If there was a way to copy that and photoshop a picture of an Iggle on it.....

Can't, we don't know what he looks like.

Wait a minute...


170 posted on 11/14/2006 9:06:23 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

LOL

Not what I was thinking, but damn that fits :)


171 posted on 11/14/2006 9:07:00 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

LOL

Fits like a glove...


172 posted on 11/14/2006 9:13:13 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: zeugma

"As far as your specific printer issues, have you ever been able to get the domain admin folks to assist?"

Not yet. I've pretty much given up because I can access the web and have a laser printer attached. Since I only have to roll my chair 5 feet to get to the other computer, it's not really a problem.

I'm using Linux as a test station to for fun. What I have learned it 3+ years:

1. Even though people say Linux will run on anything newer than a 386, it doesn't. Not if you want a GUI. A cheap Athlon or Celeron will, however, work nicely.

2. Open Office will work as a substitute for Word and Excel in basic ways but doesn't handle some of the advanced stuff very well and has no Access type database component.

3. If you can't operate from a command prompt you won't be able to run Linux successfully. Fortunately for me, I perfer a dot prompt to a GUI interface in many cases. CP/M, DOS, DEC-10, Dbase and a few older operating systems are a great plus if you want to run Linux.

4. There's a lot of available documentation, but it is way too high level for beginners. If you don't know what IP means, you are in rough shape using your machine on a network.

5. Most Linux geeks are incapable of explaining even the simplest of Linux tasks to an non-Geek. They speak in jargon and abbreviations, assuming users are familiar with a wide array of utility programs and how to use them. Saying the word Samba to a Linux beginner might as well be Mandarin Chinese.

6. Too many flavors. This week's version of Linux won't be next week's fad. Ubuntu seems to be in right now and Fedora is out. This is not good for beginners. They don't understand or even recognize the difference between versions and often don't recognize the names of distributions of Linux. Most people think Ubuntu sounds a little obscene and don't want to ask what it is.

8. Doom doesn't run well on Linux. Gnome mahjong is fun. Firefox on Linux has trouble formatting some pages correctly.

9. New hardware often doesn't run on Linux for a long time.

For the time being at the desktop level, I'm pretty sure that Linux will remain an operating system for geeks.


173 posted on 11/14/2006 10:21:29 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Poser
Probably a dumb question, and it's too late to help, but... Was the printer you were trying to get to a direct network attached printer, like a Laserjet with a JetDirect network adapter? What about direct IP printing, if you could get the IP address?

Mark

174 posted on 11/14/2006 10:24:23 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: MarkL

It is simply an HP Laserjet 2000 connected to an XP workstation and shared by XP. I think it's a parallel interface, in fact. It has a cool infrared port that I used to use with my Toshiba laptop.

It doesn't have its own IP address. It works fine with all of my XP computers on the domain. I'm pretty sure it's not a printing problem at all. I have exhausted every fix for that possibility.

It is a knowledge/ignorance problem. Anybody who has had this problem before could solve it in 10 seconds. I just haven't met that person. I suspect that person will have to be a domain administrator at my college. My crappy little Linux box on an unauthorized hub is the least of their worries.

I'm going to junk the $199 WalMart special and replace it with a 2.8 Gig Intel box in a few weeks. I may bother the network people after that change.

OK guys... Which distribution should I install on the Intel box?


175 posted on 11/14/2006 10:32:56 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Poser
OK guys... Which distribution should I install on the Intel box?

All of them! Disk space is cheap! :-)

 

Actually, If you have VMWare, I'd suggest you try out Knoppix, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, and Fedora Core6.

See which one you like best and go with it.

 

176 posted on 11/14/2006 10:46:42 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: MadIvan
Really, I do feel that Jesus Himself could return, sit down at a PC and put Linux on it, and our special friend's reaction would be to say "Commie".

Of course not, I simply corrected you when you attempted to assert that if they claim to be Christian, they couldn't possiblhy be communist. Which is, of course, bogus, being a small group of misguideds are already well known as "Christian Communists". Guys who have named themselves after Ivan the Terrible Russian and Flaming Death are hardly believable retorts on either subject, either.

177 posted on 11/14/2006 11:35:32 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: bigdcaldavis
Microsoft has a long history at killing competition. They started with Novell’s Server market, they tried to do with Java, and today they are trying to do it against the Anti-Virus vendors. They succeeded against Netscape, gained significant grounds against Sony’s Playstation, and killed a thousand other products that I can’t name because I forgot about them after Microsoft obliterated them out of the market. If any of you are XBox lovers, I don’t have to tell you that in the war over consoles Microsoft has been losing money on every XBox it sells. Zune (the competition to iPod) is said to have a similar strategy. In short Microsoft has a huge bank balance and can pump in a lot of money until the competition goes bankrupt.

This is the point where I think the free market is screwed up. Capitalism is about competition, not annihilation. Olympic athletes compete to determine who is best. They aren't allowed to sneak around before the race trying to kill one another, winning the race simply because nobody is left to run.

Similarly, the benefits of capitalism arise from the forces of competition, and are decreased or eliminated as competition is decreased or eliminated. Competing companies must continually produce better products at a lower cost, or lose customers as a result. When they turn to strategies other than honest competition to stay in business, it throws a wrench in the works.

More and more, businesses don't seem to be interested in competing, but in eliminating competition by various means, destructive and cooperative.

The strategy of simply spending the competition into the ground because you have piles of cash is one that I find particularly unethical. It severely tilts the playing field, yielding victory not to the best product, nor to the most efficient producer, but to the one who can muster enough cash to cover all his inadequacies!

That's harmful to the market and to the consumer. It's anti-capitalist and should be illegal, IMO.

178 posted on 11/14/2006 11:48:49 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Golden Eagle
Guys who have named themselves after Ivan the Terrible Russian and Flaming Death are hardly believable retorts on either subject, either.

As opposed to something that swoops down and eats mice? BTW, which subspecies are you, the Russian Berkut?

BTW, Ivan's early reign was mostly quite positive.

179 posted on 11/14/2006 12:42:33 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: TChris
They aren't allowed to sneak around before the race trying to kill one another

Ah, Tanya Harding.

More and more, businesses don't seem to be interested in competing, but in eliminating competition by various means

One of the biggest old-time examples I can remember is the trucking industry, where the big trucking firms would undercut the independent truckers for hauls, even if they had to do it for free, in order to put the independents out of business.

180 posted on 11/14/2006 1:28:18 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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