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ADULT Cell Transplants Restore Vision in Mice
WLEX-TV ^ | 11.08.06 | E.J. Mundell

Posted on 11/09/2006 6:51:31 PM PST by Coleus

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To: gaijin

--In fact, it seems to me he's SPECIFICALLY saying that earlier efforts using ES cells were problematic and that that's why they're NOT doing that, this time 'round.

Feedback?




You left out Adult Stem Cells in your above statement.


21 posted on 11/09/2006 7:21:18 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: gaijin

--What exactly do you think is misleading? Be more specific.---

The above title has the word "ADULT" when in fact the cells were not taken from an adult nor are they adult stem cells. Seems the poster wants to imply something that is not true.


22 posted on 11/09/2006 7:23:03 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Did you perhaps think that "fetal stem cells" were different from "adult stem cells"?
23 posted on 11/09/2006 7:25:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: UpAllNight

the term "adult" indicates the cells were not taken from embryos. the term "adult" is also used to indicate cells from umbilical cord blood, placenta and amniotic fluid. From under what rock did you just craw out? I did not say these were stem cells. Many freepers have requested from me that I use the term Adult in titles when referring to non-embryoic cells. I have yet to see you post any threads of value on the free republic, just comments that have no substance. You are being very silly and pathetic and have not contributed to this cause.


24 posted on 11/09/2006 7:36:01 PM PST by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: Coleus

I see you did not challenge the accuracy of my post.


25 posted on 11/09/2006 7:47:00 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: muawiyah

--Did you perhaps think that "fetal stem cells" were different from "adult stem cells"?--

I do not know what you are referring to.


26 posted on 11/09/2006 7:47:58 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
The stem cells were taken from mice most of the way along toward full development for birth. Those cells really can't be differentiated from "adult stem cells".

The researchers said they wanted to pick them up a little bit earlier in the life cycle and then work them through to what amounts to an adult status ~ just as it happens.

They are attempting to avoid working with celltypes (embryonic stem cells) that cause cancer.

27 posted on 11/09/2006 7:53:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vinny
"how do you know?"

Because he just signed up 6 days ago.

28 posted on 11/09/2006 7:54:43 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: muawiyah

--The stem cells --

They weren't stem cells.


29 posted on 11/09/2006 7:56:50 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight

You can call them what you want, but there they were ~ doing what stem cells do.


30 posted on 11/09/2006 8:02:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

--You can call them what you want, but there they were ~ doing what stem cells do.--

No. Stem cells are undifferentiated.


31 posted on 11/09/2006 8:03:13 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Stem cells are NOT undifferentiated ~ there are specific stem cells for production of celltypes for certain organs or tissues.

Embryonic "stem cells" are undifferentiated, and to a degree they can do anything they wish, and no one seems to be able to do anything about it.

You go injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of the handicapped they are going to develop into cancer.

You know that.

32 posted on 11/09/2006 8:07:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

--Stem cells are NOT undifferentiated ~ --

Perhaps you should check your references ...


33 posted on 11/09/2006 8:12:53 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
I see that you are pathetic and don't understand English. Someone needs to get a life.
34 posted on 11/09/2006 8:16:28 PM PST by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: muawiyah

--Those cells really can't be differentiated from "adult stem cells". --

They can easily be differientiated from "adult stem cells" as these were differentiated and adult stem cells are NOT differentiated.


35 posted on 11/09/2006 8:19:14 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Just being consistent with the definitions posted at Wikipedia, I think you are trying to use "differentiate" in place of several other terms.

There's a continuum of development in stemcells, and various terms have been invented to more or less indicate the level of development.

Might be better to use those terms than to mess around with "differentiate" ~ particularly since that term has a quite ordinary meaning related to how I or you might see different things.

36 posted on 11/10/2006 6:50:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I am using NIH definitions.


37 posted on 11/10/2006 9:16:21 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: muawiyah

--Just being consistent with the definitions posted at Wikipedia, I think you are trying to use "differentiate" in place of several other terms.--

Wikipedia:

Stem cells are primal cells that retain the ability to renew themselves through cell division and can differentiate into a wide range of specialized cell types.
...
Adult stem cells are undifferentiated cells found throughout the body that divide to replenish dying cells and regenerate damaged tissues.


38 posted on 11/10/2006 9:34:36 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: muawiyah
Nancy Pelosi could grow a new face, which she sorely needs.

She's already two faced...

39 posted on 11/10/2006 9:40:43 PM PST by null and void ("Jihad" just means "[My] Struggle", but then again, so does "Mein Kampf"...)
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To: UpAllNight
Alas, adult stem cells already come in a variety of forms ~ which is the usage I applied to the situation. Wikipedia's definition seems to be leading you to believe that embryonic and adult stem cells are identical in form and nature.

They are not.

40 posted on 11/11/2006 9:58:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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