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Y2K-Like Fears Create Shuttle Scheduling Crunch
New Scientist ^ | 11-6-2006 | Kellt Young

Posted on 11/06/2006 2:44:20 PM PST by blam

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To: RAWGUY

Amen


21 posted on 11/06/2006 4:12:21 PM PST by RAWGUY
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To: RAWGUY

My first real sysadmin job was for a DEC PDP 11/84


22 posted on 11/06/2006 4:12:38 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: upchuck

DEC 11/780... fond memories! What programming language?

Fond memories, indeed, sir. I was not on the programming staff so I can not speak intelligently to that question. In those days my job was keeping the hardware and VMS operating system working properly as I was employed by Digital Equipment Corp. at that time.


23 posted on 11/06/2006 4:20:08 PM PST by RAWGUY
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To: taxcontrol

You are dating yourself "taxcontrol", good system though. My first with DEC was a TOPS 10 operating system running on a KI10 36 bit octal processor platform.


24 posted on 11/06/2006 4:27:19 PM PST by RAWGUY
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To: RAWGUY
DEC had exceptionally good hardware. And the VMS OS was top notch. In 1986 or so I was the system manager of the first VAX Cluster in Kentucky. Four 11/780s. WOW, what a system (for the time :)

IMHO, if DEC could have gotten VMS to run on an Intel processor, I think DEC could have given Microsoft a run for it's money.

As long as we're being nostalgic, did you read "The Soul of a New Machine?"
25 posted on 11/06/2006 4:40:50 PM PST by upchuck (Eventually the Islamofascists must be destroyed. The longer we wait, the bloodier it is going to be.)
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To: upchuck

DEC had exceptionally good hardware. And the VMS OS was top notch. In 1986 or so I was the system manager of the first VAX Cluster in Kentucky. Four 11/780s. WOW, what a system (for the time :)

IMHO, if DEC could have gotten VMS to run on an Intel processor, I think DEC could have given Microsoft a run for it's money.

As long as we're being nostalgic, did you read "The Soul of a New Machine?"




Wow, you have been around and I am in good company here I see. :-) Actually DEC did build a VMS that would run on a LAPTOP back in 1995 but, as usual, they did not market it well. It was very expensive at $15k, a lot of money then and now.

I did not read "The soul of a New Machine" but I will certainly put it on my list....sounds like something I would enjoy...many thanks.


26 posted on 11/06/2006 4:49:24 PM PST by RAWGUY
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To: RAWGUY
1995 was about 10-15 years too late.

The proof is in the pudding... when MSFT hired a bunch of the VMS developers to get Windows NY off the ground. They were called the "Rescue Rangers."

I'm not a Windows internals person but I've been told by former MSFT employees that much the NT code written by the Rangers survives today in Win XP.

From what I've read and been told, the Rangers biggest contribution to NT was getting MSFT out of it's single user mindset.

Soul of a New Machine is the story of the development of the Data General Eclipse machine, meant to be a VAX competitor. Interesting book, even after all this time.
27 posted on 11/06/2006 5:07:38 PM PST by upchuck (Eventually the Islamofascists must be destroyed. The longer we wait, the bloodier it is going to be.)
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To: editor-surveyor

As someone who worked on both the IRS Y2K effort, and the Maryland State Treasurer's Office effort, I can tell you that no one in the banking industry got new computers. Banking transactions were ALWAYS transmitted using only the Julian day as the transaction date. There were two digit years in the headers, but within transactions actual dates were generated by windowing the Julian day in the transaction against the current Julian day in the computer. So any reports that the Banking industry was going to have trouble on Y2K were made by folks who didn't know anything about the system.


28 posted on 11/06/2006 5:30:03 PM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Bigh4u2
Time to upgrade from the old '386' to a '486'.

Actually the Shuttle has IBM 4PI computers. Architecturally they are a dual(that is 2) IBM 360s, thus the name "4PI".

AWACS uses a variant of the same computer, and that community refers to them as their "steam powered" computers. No lie.

29 posted on 11/06/2006 6:28:46 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Right Wing Assault
Were they up to 386 already??

No, the IBM 4-PI predates the Intel 386. It's even older than the 8086, IIRC.

30 posted on 11/06/2006 6:30:05 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Doohickey
Let me guess: 8 bit instructions? Toroid core memory units? Mag tape transports? Toggle switches to allow the operator to place processor instructions directly on the data bus?

No, yes, not sure don't think so, and yes.

31 posted on 11/06/2006 6:31:45 PM PST by El Gato
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To: RAWGUY
Actually it was a VAX 11/780 system, circa 1978, I was there.

Not on the shuttle itself. Ground based most likely. Here's a link showing the IBM System 4-Pi as the shuttle computer. It's been upgraded, but is still basically the same machine, just a little faster and with more memory. Also called the AP-101 in that application. AP-101S, the upgrade, replaced the core memory with semiconductor memory. (So I was slightly wrong above, but until that upgrade they did have "core")

32 posted on 11/06/2006 6:40:50 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Dang, and I was just guessing based on the Verdin system we had on the boats. :)


33 posted on 11/06/2006 6:52:19 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: El Gato
"AWACS uses a variant of the same computer, and that community refers to them as their "steam powered" computers."

If I remember correctly, the 360 core RAM had hand wound coils; at least the early ones did.

34 posted on 11/06/2006 8:31:38 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: blam

If Burt Rutan was running NASA, I don't think this would be a problem. Has NASA never heard of software updates?


35 posted on 11/06/2006 8:42:59 PM PST by MistrX
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