Tibetans shot at by Chinese reach India

Haveeru Daily ^ | Monday, October 23, 2006; 3:52 AM | Haveeru Daily

[CarrotAndStick]

KATHMANDU - Some 41 Tibetan refugees fired on by Chinese border guards last month as they entered Nepal have been flown to India, an official from the Tibetan Reception Centre in Kathmandu said Saturday.

"The 41 Tibetans refugees who arrived in Kathmandu left for New Delhi on Friday for security reasons," said an official at the Tibetan Reception Centre.

The official did not elaborate.

The Tibetans arrived in Kathmandu earlier this month after Chinese soldiers opened fire on a group of about 70 people, including children, women, monks and nuns, trying to flee into Nepal on September 30.

A nun was killed in the incident according to witnesses and foreign Tibetan groups.

The remaining Tibetans in the group of 70 were believed to have been detained by Chinese border guards. China confirmed the incident took place and said that the border troops were forced to act in self-defense after soldiers found the group trying to escape Tibet and were attacked.

Numerous foreign climbers witnessed the incident including a Romanian climber who filmed footage of a group of unarmed Tibetans being fired on as they tried to run away.

A monk who was part of the group told AFP that the Chinese border guards fired "indiscriminately" at the fleeing Tibetans.

Since 1989 Nepal's official policy has been that Tibetan refugees cannot stay in the country.

Sandwiched between regional giants India and China, Nepal pursues a cautious policy over the issue of people fleeing Chinese-controlled Tibet, directly to the north. The office of the representative of Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, was closed in Nepal's capital in 2005, but refugees continue to be transited through the Himalayan nation, often to the northern hill station of Dharamsala, where the Dalai Lama leads the Tibetan government-in-exile.

Tibetan refugees began arriving in Nepal in 1959 after the Dalai Lama fled Lhasa following an abortive uprising against Chinese rule. A year later Communist troops entered Tibet.

The Dalai Lama has in recent years urged greater autonomy from Beijing for his homeland.

Around 2,500 people a year make an often dangerous trip across the Himalayas into Nepal and India.

International rights groups accuse the Chinese of ruling Tibet through repression and military intimidation.

[Gengis Khan]

what the relationship of those smugglers with the so called human right group, it is no doubt the so called human right group know that massive children smuggling are going.

what the relationship of those smugglers with the indian overnment, otherwise, how could they cross india-Nepal border.

7 years old children are innocient, they know nothing about democracy and free-tibet, it is immoral to let them climb the Himalayas mountain, to cross risky border.

 

 

You are saying that the PLA border guards were firing at the "children" because "7 years old children are innocient," and "it is immoral to let them climb the Himalayas mountain, to cross risky border."? 

I will once again repeat the question for you. Why were the PLA firing at the fleeing Tibetan refugees?

[Gengis Khan]

the smugglers should be disgusted too, they earn money Rmb5,000 (Usd 600) for each fleeing tibetan, most of them are childrens (27 out 41 of this case) as young as 7 years without parents escort, children smuggling is a heavy crime in china,we should doubt;

what the relationship of those smugglers with the so called human right group, it is no doubt the so called human right group know that massive children smuggling are going.

what the relationship of those smugglers with the indian overnment, otherwise, how could they cross india-Nepal border.

years old children are innocient, they know nothing about democracy and free-tibet, it is immoral to let them climb the Himalayas mountain, to cross risky border.

 

Question 2.

Is it wrong/immoral to help smuggle Tibetan refugees (even Children) to India so that they escape genocide at the hands of China?

[Gengis Khan]

7 years old children are innocient, they know nothing about democracy and free-tibet,

Maybe not but they definitely know about survival (the most basic human right). The refugees were fleeing Tibet not for "democracy" but for survival.

Kapish?

[Gengis Khan]

China have no choice but to support Parkistan to fight against india due to india's hosting of dalai lama, the situation is not good for indians.

 

Go and tell this to your CCP bosses,

"India doesn't give shit."                 (Mimirs Well....... could you translate that into Chicomese?)

[MimirsWell]

杨先生你在看梦吗？ 西藏比印度怎么好？刚才来了第一个火车就你们中国人说西藏比印度好。你开玩笑吗？ 你先回答Gengis的问题。 1）如果西藏比印度好那为什么西藏人想去印度？因为印度人比中国人友好，所以吗？ 你怎么长得这么慢？ OK, translation for question 1 made with a personal flavor. As to answer someone else's question, I asked some of my Chinese friends that I had when I was living in Dalian, I asked them what they thought of the video of teh killing. They thought that the video was doctored. They couldn't believe that their PLA could do something so "bad". This is the Chinese general "opinion" about th incident. Although China internationally admitted to the incident, there probably has been nothing in the local press. Now to answer Yang's question about why the Tibetans would send little children with smugglers across the border, its because the situation even in Lhasa is hopeless. The people have no opportunities. A majority of all profitable businesses are run by Han Chinese in Lhasa and surrounding areas. I met a Tibetan whose parents fled to India in the mid 80's when he was 5 years old. He got himself an education and went back to Tibet, but he couldn't work anywhere because only Chinese university qualifications are recogised in the region unlike elsewhere in China. He tried to spend time studying Chinese language in some university but he didn't get a certificate because he wasn't a foreigner, and by definition, Chinese are expected to speak Chinese. There are many tools used to stifle Tibetan progress in China. Last I heard, he took his TOEFL and is currently studying Public administration in the US. He hopes to go back to Tibet armed with an American Master's degree, I hope he succeeds this time around. In India, you will find Tibetans in engineering schools, especially in Mysore and Pune. Their community helps put them through college and do something about their lives. They may be far from their homeland, but they are free to practice their culture and their way of life. They add to the diversity of the Indian populace and they do contibute to our progress. Let's not listen to a Chicom troll who wants us to throw out our Tibetan family members. India may lose out on GDP growth in the short term, but we WILL benefit from it in the long run. We have always welcomed people from everywhere, starting from the Aryans, the Persians, the Greeks, the Central Asians, the Jews, the black African Sidjis, hell! even the Cantonese Chinese. We have always been an open country, much like the US, its part of who we are.

[ARridgerunner]

And what would have happened had the Dalai Lama stayed in Tibet where he belongs?

He had no choice but to leave Tibet. For some reason it really seems to chap your hide that he didn't stay and become a corpse in 1949 or either a Chinese bootlicker..

The Chinese have destroyed Tibet's culture, and killed at least 1.2 million Tibetans (iirc) during their first decade of occupation. Would you really prefer Tibetan children stay in Tibet to be tortured rather than try for India? Is this the Chinese way?

It is sickening that nothing has been done about Chinese atrocities in Tibet. The UN has been worse than worthless, here.

I would imagine Tibetans are rather grateful they have an escape. Any escape at all. And As for the Chinese, why should anyone care what you think about the manner or method or means of that escape?

You say India has gained nothing, but I think you are very wrong.

[familyop]

Yang Taiyi wrote:
"6>. China have no choice but to support Parkistan to fight against india due to india's hosting of dalai lama, the situation is not good for indians."

There is very much pride in that comment. Prideful comments are somewhat amusing but not very interesting. Prideful, opposing national leaders and/or military members are even less interesting. India--a most important ally of the USA--needs more interesting opponents, as do our other free and independent Pacific Rim friends.

[familyop]

"'India doesn't give [expletive meaning excrement].' (Mimirs Well....... could you translate that into Chicomese?)"

LOL! That might be a little difficult to translate, GK. It's quite a loaded figure of speech.

[familyop]

"what the relationship of those smugglers with the so called human right group, it is no doubt the so called human right group know that massive children smuggling are going."

Is China construing such events as child-smuggling? Are whole families of some small demographic groups not wanting to leave China? Why is it so important to such a large and powerful country, that a few people want to walk out of it? A few people want to leave the USA due to peculiar personal complaints. Our US government leaders do not feel very offended or angry about such small matters.

"what the relationship of those smugglers with the indian overnment, otherwise, how could they cross india-Nepal border."

It appears to be a matter of intense nationalist pride for the PLA--much like national leaders being very offended at verbal insults (for example, being called names).

"7 years old children are innocient, they know nothing about democracy and free-tibet, it is immoral to let them climb the Himalayas mountain, to cross risky border."

Were their parents with them or waiting for them on the other side? If so, what good was there for the children in trying to murder the parents of those children?

[TigersEye]

China's claim that Tibet was historically a part of China is a lie. In fact under more than one Tibetan king much of China was defeated. Tibet has a far better historical claim on China.

[TigersEye]

Tibet is "roof of earth", its harsh nature condition is not a good place for economic devolopment,...

Especially after China has raped most of Tibets forests and minerals these last fifty years.

[MimirsWell]

Look, you just proved yourself to be more than an average Chinese osting on the forum. Why I know this for sure is because you posted stuff about hating the CCP. You know that the authorities in your country will crush your b*lls for that statements you just made.

Now, to set the matter straight, India isn't smuggling Tibetans out of Tibet. We have 1 billion of our own people to take care of, we wouldnt actively court migrants or refugees. But unlike the Chinese, who drag N.Korean refugees halfway out of the Japanese consulate and then hand them back to N. Korea and condening them to a lifetime of torture and at best a summary executon, Indians are a lot more humane with people who come seeking refuge. Tibet maybe the roof of the world, but we shelter Tibetans even (if you get the connotation). I don't see why we need to "agree" with China on what is an "acceptable" form of welcoming refugees. We definitely don't agree on how your government and for that matter, even your people treat Tibetans and Uighurs.

Don't preach to us on political correctness. Your government is so afraid that its own people will read about what it really does in this world that it has to censor the internet, the TV and every other form of media.

India may never become as big an economy or a military power as China, but it will never be overtaken by China as a civilization. I think we are way more civilized in how we treat our friends, our enemies and our own people. The antiquity of your civilization is useless when all you have to say for it is one golden age under the Tang dynasty, preceded and succeeded by murder, torture and fire.

[MimirsWell]

This guy is definitely a chiCOM troll. I mean he's part of the machine. Half the statistics he quoted are not available for normal chinese public to see. His English is way too bad for a Chinese abroad and he's literally risking a lot more than his scrotum if he self assuredly took on the CCP with statements like that. The admin moderator might want to send his IP address to the Chinese authorities to let them know what their entrusted servant is saying about his chicom masters. (just kidding!) 杨小鸭，88！