Posted on 10/23/2006 5:35:24 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick
KATHMANDU - Some 41 Tibetan refugees fired on by Chinese border guards last month as they entered Nepal have been flown to India, an official from the Tibetan Reception Centre in Kathmandu said Saturday.
"The 41 Tibetans refugees who arrived in Kathmandu left for New Delhi on Friday for security reasons," said an official at the Tibetan Reception Centre.
The official did not elaborate.
The Tibetans arrived in Kathmandu earlier this month after Chinese soldiers opened fire on a group of about 70 people, including children, women, monks and nuns, trying to flee into Nepal on September 30.
A nun was killed in the incident according to witnesses and foreign Tibetan groups.
The remaining Tibetans in the group of 70 were believed to have been detained by Chinese border guards. China confirmed the incident took place and said that the border troops were forced to act in self-defense after soldiers found the group trying to escape Tibet and were attacked.
Numerous foreign climbers witnessed the incident including a Romanian climber who filmed footage of a group of unarmed Tibetans being fired on as they tried to run away.
A monk who was part of the group told AFP that the Chinese border guards fired "indiscriminately" at the fleeing Tibetans.
Since 1989 Nepal's official policy has been that Tibetan refugees cannot stay in the country.
Sandwiched between regional giants India and China, Nepal pursues a cautious policy over the issue of people fleeing Chinese-controlled Tibet, directly to the north. The office of the representative of Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, was closed in Nepal's capital in 2005, but refugees continue to be transited through the Himalayan nation, often to the northern hill station of Dharamsala, where the Dalai Lama leads the Tibetan government-in-exile.
Tibetan refugees began arriving in Nepal in 1959 after the Dalai Lama fled Lhasa following an abortive uprising against Chinese rule. A year later Communist troops entered Tibet.
The Dalai Lama has in recent years urged greater autonomy from Beijing for his homeland.
Around 2,500 people a year make an often dangerous trip across the Himalayas into Nepal and India.
International rights groups accuse the Chinese of ruling Tibet through repression and military intimidation.
Not to forget that China started reforms in 1980, India in 1995. China has 16 of the 20 most polluted cities in the world in air-pollution according to the World Bank. Indians are the largest student community in the US and UK. I don't care much about Old-Europe. They're on their way down anyway. Indians are the strongets immigrant community too in the US and UK. No-one's ever heard of a Chinese member of the UK parliament.
About tourism, Chinese tourists have taken the "great distinction" of flocking tourist places, posing for pictures in quick succession and then running away to the next monument. What's more, hotels from HK to Singapore are sick of Chinese tourists spitting loudly everywhere, sitting on the floor and smoking in beds. So much so that when Disneyland opened in HK, even the HKese were positively shocked with their countrymen. Reminds me of the Mastercard advertisement. "There are few things money can't buy, for everything else there's mastercard." Chinese got the mastercard part, but one of the things their money can't buy is culture and dignity.
Moral of the story: If you mind your manners and are quiet, people don't notice you. I guess thats what Indians do. The Chinese are loud, spitting and unruly. Its easy to distinguish Chinese tourists from tourists of other "Confucian" countries. They are the ones with the fake Adidas and Guccis, in big LOUD groups with a Woman in a fisherman's cap carrying a flag. Every now and then the men drag all their phlegm out loudly and SHPITTT! Not to forget that they can't read signs, don't know where not to smoke.
Indians - silent, small groups or families walking unobtrusively and not disgusting their hosts and fellow tourists. Atleast the Indian government doesn't have to come up with a "How to behave when you are abroad" guideline like the Chinese government.
As for air-conditioners, I think fans are a lot more energy efficient than AC's. China's energy efficiency is terrible. We have fans in every room and frankly, we don't want to freeze ourselves. Plus Haier ACs in China don't cost a lot when you consider it in PPP terms so don't bring stupid statistics to show "how amazing" China is. When you consider that places south of the Yellow river freeze in winter because of a stupid policy of having heaters only north of the river, you realise that you guys are dumb and impractical.
Oh! I get you now. One of those born-again Fujianese/Cantonese chinese in Malaysia or Indonesia who thinks China will rule the world "again". Haven't you got your hands full with the Bhoomiputra campaign and the Indonesians getting you to change your "Chinese" names to an "-anto".
I should like to pity you but you Chinese are just as bad as Muslims are. You go over to another country and never quite integrate. You make China-towns everywhere and piss your hosts off. You lie and you cheat, not so hard to figure out since most of the worlds fake merchandise is made in China. And then your hosts come and butcher you while you whine. Don't worry, if China tries another smart shot on India, the Chinese will whine as well. Not to forget that atleast the Tamils who conquered Singapore went their as conquerors, you guys talk about lying and cheating when you actually came disguised as merchants. You want me to translate this to Hokkien to make you feel better?
Oh, and for your information, you can't munch curry. You can ofcourse munch sotomee! You guys are so famous for your courage that even the Singaporean leader prefers Gurkha bodyguards. Must be all the curry that they eat that gives them something you gusy never have - balls.
"Actually, many people are influenced by such dark passions that even animals are more civilized. "
I call them Lizard People. No ethics, no morals, no compassion, only greed, hatred and anger.
"I am really curious to hear his point of view. How many people from China have you ever talked to?"
I've never talked to a Chinese about their treatment of the Tibetans but I've talked extensively to Tibetans at the refugee center in Kathmandhu and I was horrified by their stories.
Tibet does not belong to China. Chinese have no right to step inside Tibet. I have no reason why I should take your (a Chicom apologist's) word on Dalai Lama. I believe he has been more peaceful then most political leaders who have lead freedom struggle elsewhere around the world. And most certainly he has been far less violent then the Chinese government. There is absolutely so reason why the world should buy all that filthy lies about Dalai Lama that the Chinese communist thugs are trying to float.
China is clearly the culprit here. Chinese occupation of Tibet is illegal. If at all Dalai Lama has staged armed uprising as you claim then he is fully justified in doing so. In fact I would state that he is more guilty of not taking on China through violent means while he had the means and the options. It is no wrong to defend (using violence) ones land, life, culture, religion and dignity. You are mistaken if you think non violence is simply passive submission. It was the Chinese that transgressed their borders and stepped on Tibetan soil. Tibet has every right to hit back. I bet you are still smarting inside you butt over the fact that despite all the torture, rape, genocide that Tibet had to go through they still haven't fully surrendered.
And if you are talking about India, I would say that we have a greater share of blame to burden because Nehru was then sucking up to the Chinese. India had to pay the price for the stupidity for appeasing the evil.
If you are asking me "Is it unfair for China to attack India when India tried to stir up shit in Tibet?"
My answer is, China firstly has no right to be inside Tibet. Everything else is of secondary importance. Tibet isn't part of China, that the Chinese are justified in defending.
Nobody said they were racially targeted. They were killed en masse by communist Chinese government. And I do not believe the heydays of totalitarian fascist Chinese rule is over just because some parts of China have adopted market economy and have experienced rapid economic growth. The heydays of communism is still going on and Tibetans are still being killed. You need proof, check the video. Are you trying to say China is no more "communist"?
I ganruanttee you there were no genocide, it's just plain illogical.
Honestly, how good is any guaranty that comes from a Chinese communist apologist?
Just think about it: There were only a few million defenseless Tibetans vs a billion Chinese. If genocide was intended, it would be over in a week and there would be no Tibetans left by now and the problem is solved. Why would the Chinese shoulder the blame for genocide but still not carry out the actual cleasing to solve the problem once and for all? You think the Chinese are stupid?
Wow, that's quite a twisted logic that you are trying to sell. It doesn't take a billion people to carry out a genocide. Nazi Germany did it with much less then a billion people. Are you trying to say that because "China has a billion people and Tibet has only a few million and a genocide would be over within a week" so the genocide never happened? That's illogical you sound. Its never the people who carry out genocide, its dictatorial/ totalitarian government in control of a brutal army chain of command that carries out a genocide. The whole world knows about the genocide that happened (and is still happening in Tibet). Your eyewash is of no consequence.
Exactly. Two legged animals are worse than the four legged kind. You know what to expect from four legged animals. And even they often exhibit kindness, motherly love, and graditude - when treated with kindnes.
So, that is no Chinese people. That's what I thought.
The Misogynic Dalai believed that women is so inherently unclean, they must not be allowed to get too close to the Buddha, and thus must be excluded from Sangha.
Then why are there so many women lamas?
You speak of karma as if you believe in it. Karma being nothing more than the idea that actions have consequences. If you do believe in karma you should fear greatly for the future of China.
(you can still see the horrible looking implement in the Potola, and the skull cups made out of human skulls of those who dared to disobay the Dalai).
That statement proves that you are a complete idiot. Who ties you shoes for you?
He was 17 years old when he fled for his life. I personally know some Khampas. There were no slaves in Tibet. No one in Ando or Khams paid tribute to the authorities in Lhasa. But they can certainly tell horrifying tales of the blood and tears shed when the Chinese goons invaded bombing nearly every monastery in Tibet from the air to subdue the oh so threatening monks and nuns.
You are shilling for blood sucking vampires not human beings. That kind of makes you a ghoul.
They are made from the bones of people, usually lamas and monks, who died of natural causes. Bone implements are symbolic of impermanence and have no malevolent intent in their use. You are a slave if you think it is OK for the government to "register" religions. May your chains rest lightly upon you.
There is no reason for the lamas I know to lie to me. They left Tibet and China's tyranny over fifty years ago. They have lived in the U.S. for over thirty years and come and go to India, Russia, France and other nations as they please. They do not belong to the same school of Buddhism as the Dalai Lama and owe him no religious loyalty ... yet they pay him the deepest respect. They have no need of money and have sustained themselves for at least forty years so they owe him nothing in that regard.
Their personal stories and the written accounts of numerous other Tibetans living free in the west (who have no particular ties with the Dalai Lama) contradict every single thing you have said about Tibet and China. You are simply a shame-faced liar. I pity you if you actually believe that bilge water but I don't think you do.
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