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West Point opens Islamic worship space as Muslim cadets increase
Newsday.com ^ | 10/22/06 | Newsday.com

Posted on 10/22/2006 7:50:40 PM PDT by World_Events

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To: Caesar Soze

I expected grandiose plots involving Manchurian candidates, dead drops, and Hasan-i-Sabah giving orders from up in his mountain."

If you're writing a novel, come up with you're own plot.

I know history repeats itself and muslim history is not pretty.


421 posted on 10/24/2006 1:08:32 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: ccmay

Perhaps they mean when the pulpit is faced, the worshiper faces mecca. Therefore, the imam is mooning mecca. I am not familiar with layouts of mosques.


422 posted on 10/24/2006 1:17:23 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Rokke

All the moral reason we would need.


423 posted on 10/24/2006 1:18:16 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Rokke
If you REALLY think you have a case here, than put your money where your mouth is and call the number. Then come back and tell us what the response is.

Hey rokkehead, let's ask Dubya himself. It's a Religion of PEEEEEEEEACE! (tm) (r) (c)

424 posted on 10/24/2006 1:20:57 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Caesar Soze

And did you serve in a rifle company in combat? Get a real CIB?

What about the Muslim who threw a grenade into his BN command tent in Kuwait of the 101st prior to the invasion.

Take this PC MC out of our military. Sell that elsewhere.


425 posted on 10/24/2006 4:58:43 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Caesar Soze

Tell us all how tough that secret clearance is? It is no BI.


426 posted on 10/24/2006 5:21:11 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Rokke
You mean to tell me you honestly believe muslims at West Point are a threat to our national security

You're focusing on a few tender blades of green and arguing that they are in no way harmful. Viewing the problem in isolation, you're probably right.

Now lift your eyes and see the forest of kudzu that is Islam.

427 posted on 10/24/2006 5:27:37 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Rokke
"By definition...an act."

Just like being a member of a mosque that preaches said overthrow. Just like being a member of CAIR.

"Um. That section is a description of who must register with the Attorney General, and it specifically excludes religious organizations. "

CAIR is a religious organization or a front for Hamas? Islam is a *political system*, not a religion. They are relatively quiet when a small portion of the population. Just wait until they reach the same percentage as they are in the UK.

"You've spent post after post ranting about our government's refusal to act against an known enemy, but when I provide you with a means that you personally can use to take action, you refuse."

Because there would be no point. Political correctness is too ingrained.

"At this point, I suspect both."

Again, say that to my face.

"Prove me wrong."

The Executive Branch of this government believes (in the person of Rice and the President) that our greatest legacy would be to form a state for the people who cheered 9/11 (Palestinians). Faced with that - and the fact the enemy (CAIR) is given a seat at the policy table, I do not see any recourse in the current administration. THEY don't want to win. THEY don't even see this as a war.
428 posted on 10/24/2006 7:01:07 AM PDT by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: windcliff

So much for the Point. So much for us all.


429 posted on 10/24/2006 9:02:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: World_Events

Muslims don't belong in America, they don't belong in the U.S. military, and they sure as hell don't belong at West Point.


430 posted on 10/24/2006 9:11:06 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: KittyKares
Why would a foreign student be admitted?

It's only a limited number, and it is thought to be important for building contacts later in their careers. We are using this program to extend America's influence in military and diplomatic matters. It amounts to no more than a few dozen students per year, paid for by their own governments.

Any foreign student who can win acceptance to an American service academy is among that country's military superstars, the kind of kid who will end up as a top-ranking general or Minister of Defense. If he's a West Point ring-knocker too, don't you think he is going to be favorably disposed towards the American military? It is a good way to introduce Western ethical and human-rights concerns into savage banana-republic militaries. And if nothing else, it may help support overseas sales of our hardware instead of French or Russian stuff.

-ccm

431 posted on 10/24/2006 10:37:18 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ZULU

You nailed it.


432 posted on 10/24/2006 11:51:26 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Lumper20

Thanks.

By the way, I forgot to celebrate "United Nations Day" and the end of Ramadamit or whatever the hell they call it.

Oh well. Maybe next year.


433 posted on 10/24/2006 1:49:07 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ccmay

"It's only a limited number, and it is thought to be important for building contacts later in their careers."

Yeah, I know. We have done it a long time. Some illustrious and some notorious products have been produced.

"We are using this program to extend America's influence in military and diplomatic matters. It amounts to no more than a few dozen students per year, paid for by their own governments."

The next thing their governemnts will pay for is a MOSQUE at West Point.

They don't need a worship space. Muslims can worship anywhere. Islam isn't like Christianity or Judaism. And I think its time we stopped the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, that the Saudis are our allies, and that Muslims are equivalent to any other faith. Read the Koran.

"Any foreign student who can win acceptance to an American service academy is among that country's military superstars, the kind of kid who will end up as a top-ranking general or Minister of Defense."

Or military dictator.

"If he's a West Point ring-knocker too, don't you think he is going to be favorably disposed towards the American military?"

Not necessarily.

"It is a good way to introduce Western ethical and human-rights concerns into savage banana-republic militaries."

Islamic countries aren't savage banana Republics - they are theocratic dictatoriships and providing their citizens with a military education is like giving a loaded gun to a homicidal maniac.

"And if nothing else, it may help support overseas sales of our hardware instead of French or Russian stuff."

They'll buy whatever they can get - and, thatnks to our petrodollars - can afford to get it anywhere they want.


434 posted on 10/24/2006 2:00:41 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: JCEccles
"Now lift your eyes and see the forest of kudzu that is Islam."

Here's a link to a website you should look at. West Point Remembrance It's a list of all the West Point graduates who have died while fighting the war on terror. If you for one second think that West Point isn't aware of the stakes of the war we are fighting, you are even more arrogant than you sound. Your awareness of the evils of Islam amount to nothing compared to the actual experience of the men and women who have and continue to risk their lives fighting islamic radicals. The same men and women who teach and lead new young warriors at West Point. To stick with your gardening analogy...you keep trimming weeds. But rest easy in the knowledge that there are hundreds of thousands of dedicated Americans facing every day an evil you only dare preach about. And they DO NOT need your wisdom regarding an enemy they are INTIMATELY familiar with.

435 posted on 10/24/2006 6:44:14 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
"Just like being a member of a mosque that preaches said overthrow. Just like being a member of CAIR."

That's fine. And like I said before, if you can identify any Muslims at West Point that are guilty of such things, please report them.

"Because there would be no point."

OK. Then what WILL you do? Bitch on internet forums?

"Again, say that to my face."

Your toughness and internet bravado are noted. As is your propensity to not follow through on your convictions.

"I do not see any recourse in the current administration. THEY don't want to win. THEY don't even see this as a war."

Good grief. Now you're just launching into rants. You really think Bush doesn't see our "War on Terror" as a war? Can you explain his absolute single minded focus on fighting terrorists all over the globe? What's his point there?

436 posted on 10/24/2006 6:54:23 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: World_Events

That's like allowing Nazis to train and learn at the Citadel during WW2.


437 posted on 10/24/2006 6:57:56 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Rokke

I just clicked on your web page. Thanks for ruining Kinkos!

(internet bravado)


438 posted on 10/24/2006 6:58:37 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: takenoprisoner

No, it's like letting the Confederacy train and learn at the Citadel or West Point!


439 posted on 10/24/2006 7:00:17 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Rokke
"That's fine. And like I said before, if you can identify any Muslims at West Point that are guilty of such things, please report them."

Do they attend a mosque? That should be evidence enough to fail out a national agency check.

"OK. Then what WILL you do? Bitch on internet forums?"

I do what I can. Calling the FBI hasn't helped any of the other people who have tried it. The FBI gets its advice on Islam from CAIR....

"Your toughness and internet bravado are noted. As is your propensity to not follow through on your convictions."

Calling people "cowards" on the internet pretty much implies you're mostly "internet bravado".

"You really think Bush doesn't see our "War on Terror" as a war?"

No. I don't.

"Can you explain his absolute single minded focus on fighting terrorists all over the globe?"

Why don't you explain the lack of follow-through on the "with us or against us" rhetoric, encouraging more Muslims to move here from Saudi Arabia, kissing Saudi princes, and his State Department sucking up to Abbas? Why do we give billions still to Egypt? Why are we going to apparently ARM Hamas (as if arming Fatah worked in our favor)?

Explain the "greatest legacy" line from Rice (backed up by Bush)?

Couple that with our borders left undefended and DOD funding being taxed to fund social programs and it really doesn't seem that this war is taken all that seriously by those in power.

The man told us it was a "religion of peace" constantly and actually hosts Muslim holidays. He can't even NAME the enemy after all these years. His State Department passes on constitutions - like in Afghanistan - that enshrine Shariah as the highest law....

Explain the public groveling of the greatest nation in human history before Islam.

"What's his point there?"

What government usually does in the end: give the appearance of solving a problem without actually solving the problem. It will take a Churchill to win this war. We don't have one now and none of the contenders for '08 are anything like Winston.
440 posted on 10/24/2006 7:06:32 PM PDT by EnochPowellWasRight
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