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Minutemen Denied Permit To Assemble
Yakima Herald Republic ^

Posted on 10/19/2006 11:03:05 AM PDT by Res Nullius

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To: KEVLAR; All
Agree 100%. If the undocumented workers (illegal aliens) are 100% undocumented by our own government, then, they are in 100% violation of federal law. Their rights as humans are protected by The Constitution, but, since they cannot legally vote or otherwise, no rights whatsoever to voice their opinion and organize their efforts on taxpayer property should ever be granted. It smacks of letting staunch communist Chinese supporters come in illegally and become directly involved in the affairs of Congress, state and local governments to effect creation and enforcement of US law.

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Therefore, anyone protesting a group to enforce laws stated above are also breaking the law. The Congress and state legislatures are responsible for changing the law and the voters respective representatives must be called and written to.

81 posted on 10/19/2006 1:04:26 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: RSmithOpt; All
FYI:

With the highlighted segment of law in mind, all persons in government and the public sector are guilty of a felony. The felony of conspiracy to commit crime. All those people in government that have refused to secure our southern borders, enforce current federal law with respect to persons guilty of illegal entry, and demanded that the taxpayer foot the bill for medical care, housing, penal incarceration, and food (like WIC checks) for illegals and their families who have entered illegally are guilty of conspiracy. Hands down guilty of felonious conspiracy and no argument can be given otherwise.

A comment and a published quote by Robert Gaffney, Attorney and County Executive of Suffolk County, LI, NY: The statutory foundation of United States immigration law has always been the jurisdiction of the federal government, Congress and the federal courts. The preeminent laws concerning the employment of illegal aliens are found in the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. §~ 1101-1503), as amended by the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 CIRCA).

The law states it is a crime to assist an illegal alien who lacks employment authorization by referring him to an employer, or by acting as his or her employer, or as an agent for an employer. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) (Lexis 1997). Furthermore, it is unlawful to hire an individual for employment without complying with the employment eligibility requirements for every person hired. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(l)(B) (Lexis 1997). Moreover, conduct tending substantially to facilitate illegal aliens remaining in the United States illegally, where there is knowledge or a reckless disregard of an illegal alien s unlawful status, is a crime, with escalating penalties, encompassed within the provisions of 1324. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324(a)(l)(A)(iii) (Lexis 1997); United States v. Kim. 193 F-3d 567 (2d Cir. 1999), are considered employees for purposes of immigration law.

82 posted on 10/19/2006 1:18:24 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Hey, where you cop? You didn't answer on the last thread.


83 posted on 10/19/2006 1:26:02 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Still well before 1992--I left the force in 1975

And what force would that be, Hmmm?

84 posted on 10/19/2006 1:38:33 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: BigFinn
So gather and meet on private property.

Bzzzt. Wrong answer. It is precisely the right to peaceably gather in public that is at issue.

85 posted on 10/19/2006 1:53:13 PM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Res Nullius

Sue the bastards!


86 posted on 10/19/2006 1:54:44 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Problem: the municipality must then compensate the state government for the cost of the State Police coverage. The cost is still there.

Tough. Take it out of the street paving budget. One is a declared and protected right of citizens, the other is not. If the government can justify denying rights due to budgetary costs, what use are they?

Maybe if the State of Washington clamped down on the presence of illegal aliens in their jurisdiction, they wouldn't have to worry about a mob of illegal non-citizens infringing on the peaceful assembly of citizens. Guess they are finding out that kicking the problem down the road so that local orchard growers can benefit from breaking the law is costing more than they thought.

87 posted on 10/19/2006 2:01:50 PM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Res Nullius
"If 20 protesters and 20 Minutemen get into it, the four officers I have on day shift won't be able to handle that,"

""Gutierrez said."

88 posted on 10/19/2006 2:07:49 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Res Nullius
"We would definitely be there," said Maria Cuebas of Aguilas De Norte. "Undocumented immigrants are protected by our Constitution, and no one has the right to detain another person.

What a stupid, stupid girl!

89 posted on 10/19/2006 2:10:34 PM PDT by airborne (If Democrats win in November, America will suffer.)
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To: Res Nullius

Never forget which side of this issue our government is on and the extent to which they have gone to support the illegals.


90 posted on 10/19/2006 2:18:51 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08)
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To: All

Moorpark California city council did a similar thing. Friends of the Borber patrol was going to meet in the city's public meeting room. Money was paid, date & time set for the group to meet and have the public invited. At the last minute, the city council put on an aditional $400 charge to use the meeting room on the BP group. That effectively would not allow the group to use the city facilites. Once the Moorpark city was contacted by lawyers and threatened with a lawsuit, the additon $400 'security fee' was removed and the meeting went on without any problems.


91 posted on 10/19/2006 4:01:41 PM PDT by cowboy_code (Note for visitors at Arafat's grave - first dance, THEN pee.)
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To: Res Nullius
Although the group claims to be nonviolent, Chief Rick Gutierrez of the Selah police said he was concerned about documented clashes in other parts of the country between the organization and those protesting them.

"If 20 protesters and 20 Minutemen get into it, the four officers I have on day shift won't be able to handle that," Gutierrez said. "I'd have to call in officers on overtime, Sheriff's Office, State Patrol, Yakima (police). We just don't have the resources to handle something like that."

Denying people their civil rights because you fear that they'll provoke an attack by somebody is a prohibited heckler's veto. This has come up numerous times in court cases, and has gotten knocked down again and again. If the Minutemen decide to contest this, they'll win.

92 posted on 10/19/2006 4:18:29 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Jaysun

Near Yakima Washington.


93 posted on 10/19/2006 4:21:07 PM PDT by irishtenor (We survived Clinton in the 80s... we can survive her even when her husband is gone.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

So if the Automobile Dealers of blahblahblah, had a meeting in a convention center. They would be responsible for an illegal protest outside, and have to pay for the costs incurred in police and porta potties outside? It seems to me, that any rental of an indoor facility, would be structured to make enough money to pay for security and bathroom/cooking facilities. Anything else that sprung up, like a counter meeting, would be prone to being broken up, because THEY have no permit or meeting place.


94 posted on 10/19/2006 4:41:32 PM PDT by jeremiah (Our military are not "fodder", but fathers and mothers and sons and daughters.)
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To: airborne
Oh, she's not stupid.

She instead is counting on the stupidity of enough Americans to back legalization of illegal aliens.

And given that 25 percent of Americans are retarded enough to believe 9-11 conspiracies, she's already halfway there.

95 posted on 10/19/2006 4:54:09 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: ZULU

A city of 73,000 residents has only 4 on duty police officers during the day? No wonder they are the crank capital of the state. Probably most of the residents are illegals, so they take more of the money for services, than they pay in taxes.


96 posted on 10/19/2006 5:38:12 PM PDT by jeremiah (Our military are not "fodder", but fathers and mothers and sons and daughters.)
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To: Res Nullius

"Minutemen have also been being arrested ..."

Great grammar, yeah.


97 posted on 10/19/2006 5:45:34 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: ViLaLuz

Never made a mistake posting? Thank you Mr. God.


98 posted on 10/19/2006 10:43:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Res Nullius
"Undocumented immigrants are protected by our Constitution".

How's that again? My copy of the Constitution does not say that law-breaking illegals are somehow protected and that Minutemen are not. The Republic has been invaded by so many illegals that they now dictate how and where we can assemble in peaceful meetings that the illegals can and do convert into riots, thus breaking US and local laws again. If this situation is not corrected and soon, the Republic is toast.

99 posted on 10/20/2006 10:10:59 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: dirtboy

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that states can't restrict constitutional freedoms. They can have more lax interpretations, but not more stringent. State constitutions and local charters can't restrict fundamental rights. What's not specifically addressed in the Constitution is left to the several states to interpret. That's why the libs always try to work from the top down. Conservatives tend towards ground-roots movements working from the bottom up.


100 posted on 10/20/2006 10:19:38 AM PDT by gregwest
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