This is one of my worries if "they" take control again - a repeat in Iraq. There will be a slaughter of those who embraced liberty....unable to escape.
Fleeing Vietnamese Refugees aboard the USS BLUE RIDGE
Posted on 10/19/2006 4:05:55 AM PDT by flynmudd
Really? I missed that pole. Is it still up?
An interesting point of history, sure, but to say that something similar happened one way once is cautionary, not predictive.
Basically, it's 2006, not 1970. Just because the Democrats did something 35 years ago doesn't mean it's in their political interest today. Never assume that your enemies are predictable.
The main difference being terrorism, while less of a threat that communism, actually made it to our shore. Also, you should familiarize yourself with the Church Amendment, which emasculated and tied the hands (for the next 30 years) of our Intelligence Agencies.
The Church amendment, IIRC, was more to limit military activities and sales in SE Asia. I think you're confusing that with the fallout that resulted from the Shamrock/Minaret investigations, when Senator Church was head of the Senate Select Comittee on Intelligence. That backlash lead, among other things, to reforms that initially ranged from the FISA law, down to EO 12333.
There isn't enough time for what? To cast two impeachment votes? How long did it take for Clinton? And for that matter, what do they care if it runs into '08 campaigning time. They'd love it.
He'd have to, because his options will be either to resign, or take it. I don't see him resigning at all. I do see him putting up a big fight over being impeached, but how much can you really do at that point? What can he try that Clinton didn't?
I assume an impeachment process would proceed with either the president or vice-president, but not both at the same time. Impeachment from the house doesn't mean that the president is out yet, there would have to be a super majority trial in the Senate. The Democrats would have to vote, along with several Republicans to kick Bush out. Even if the Senate becomes majority is Democrat, I don't think there would be enough Senators that would rule to kick out Bush (unless there are enough Republican RINO's voting with the Democrats). See impeachment process with Clinton - Republican majority house and Senate...
Anyway, back to the point....I don't think they would be able to impeach both President and Vice-President at the same time. If one of them leaves, then a new Vice-President is appointed by acting president (and approved by Congress)....Highly unlikely that Nancy Pelosi would ever become president. There would have to be a tragic accident or assasination for Nancy to ever become president.
Perhaps you should bone up on your rhetorical reading skills, chum. The "You" in Vader's post was clearly a collective pronoun referring to Congress.
I take it your recommended punishment was something you suffered frequently?
Make no mistake...this is coming
I just did. We have early voting here in Tennessee.
Why not? Because it wouldn't be fair? It wouldn't be gentlemanly? What would legally restrict them from impeaching both at the same time?
This is all that Article II, Section 4 says about impeachment:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Will they be using a tugboat or a towtruck?
It's TOE, dammit! < /verbage police >
Good luck to them. It will be among the stupidest thing they could do.
There is a little more to it than just casting impeachment votes. The case has to be presented to Congress (and to the voters) and that takes time.
How long did it take for Clinton?
Better part of a year and a half, start to finish.
And for that matter, what do they care if it runs into '08 campaigning time
You misunderestimate three things. One, the will of the American people for this sort of thing in a time of war. I just don't think the electorate is going to tolerate trumped up charges against Bush and Cheney and this will be even more prevalent if we are hit with another terrorist attack (very likely, IMO). The 'Rats may very well try if they gain control of the House, but I predict a fizzle at best. This is especially true with so many of the Congresscritters voting in favor of the war in Iraq and regime change in Iraq as being the official policy of the United States since 1998.
Two, there simply isn't time for them to impeach a sitting POTUS and Vice POTUS and leave time for campaigning for the '08 election.
And three, you assume that the 'Pubbies will just sit by and allow it to happen. If you've been paying attention the past few years you should have noted how the minority party can delay all things in Congress, even with a very narrow margin of control, i.e. the current Senate. I seriously doubt that the 'Pubbies will just sit by an allow an impeachment to occur.
With all this being said, I still don't believe that the 'Rats will take control of both houses anyway. If they fail to take both houses, the impeachment thingy is dead.
To the dems, differing political philosophy is the equivalent to breaking the law.
This is one of my worries if "they" take control again - a repeat in Iraq. There will be a slaughter of those who embraced liberty....unable to escape.
Fleeing Vietnamese Refugees aboard the USS BLUE RIDGE
How has the curent trifecta profitted Christian Conservatives?
It seems the voter turnout drive by the Republicans is strong and Rove, that magnificent bastard, is very optimistic. There may be a gain of House seats for Republicans. This whole election will swing by voter turnout and I don't think Republicans are going to sit this one out.
I've been saying this for at least three years now. IMHO, our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan will go down in history as one of the most brilliant military strategies ever executed. We have gone into the desert, their desert, and invited every would-be thug Muzzie to come and fight our professional military, instead of taking the Clintonian tact of allowing them to come here and kill our civilians and fight our police, then trying to treat it like a legal issue.
We're killing the radical Muzzies by the thousands on their soil, trashing their infrastructure and rocking their world. Nothing short of brilliant, IMHO.
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