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The Coming Impeachment
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| October 19, 2006
| Rocco DiPippo
Posted on 10/19/2006 4:05:55 AM PDT by flynmudd
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To: seasoned traditionalist
poll here indicates that fully TWENTY FIVE % of Freepers have indicated they will NOT vote Republican. Really? I missed that pole. Is it still up?
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posted on
10/19/2006 5:38:22 AM PDT
by
subterfuge
(Tolerance has become the greatest virtue, and hypocrisy the worst character defect.)
To: seasoned traditionalist
Many thought the same as you, yet the Congress, led by Leftist, Anti-American, Pro-Communists DhimicRATS, (with the shameful acquiesence of the wuss Pubes) succeeded in cutting off ALL funding for not only our support of South Vietnam, but any other engagment we were involved in which advance our Cold War efforts. An interesting point of history, sure, but to say that something similar happened one way once is cautionary, not predictive.
Basically, it's 2006, not 1970. Just because the Democrats did something 35 years ago doesn't mean it's in their political interest today. Never assume that your enemies are predictable.
The main difference being terrorism, while less of a threat that communism, actually made it to our shore. Also, you should familiarize yourself with the Church Amendment, which emasculated and tied the hands (for the next 30 years) of our Intelligence Agencies.
The Church amendment, IIRC, was more to limit military activities and sales in SE Asia. I think you're confusing that with the fallout that resulted from the Shamrock/Minaret investigations, when Senator Church was head of the Senate Select Comittee on Intelligence. That backlash lead, among other things, to reforms that initially ranged from the FISA law, down to EO 12333.
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posted on
10/19/2006 5:42:12 AM PDT
by
Steel Wolf
(As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
To: Thermalseeker
There isn't enough time between January '07 and the start of the '08 campaigning. There isn't enough time for what? To cast two impeachment votes? How long did it take for Clinton? And for that matter, what do they care if it runs into '08 campaigning time. They'd love it.
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posted on
10/19/2006 5:45:45 AM PDT
by
Steel Wolf
(As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
To: samtheman
Under the pressure of impeachment, I predict that President Bush will surprise even you. He'd have to, because his options will be either to resign, or take it. I don't see him resigning at all. I do see him putting up a big fight over being impeached, but how much can you really do at that point? What can he try that Clinton didn't?
84
posted on
10/19/2006 5:50:47 AM PDT
by
Steel Wolf
(As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
To: edpc
I assume an impeachment process would proceed with either the president or vice-president, but not both at the same time. Impeachment from the house doesn't mean that the president is out yet, there would have to be a super majority trial in the Senate. The Democrats would have to vote, along with several Republicans to kick Bush out. Even if the Senate becomes majority is Democrat, I don't think there would be enough Senators that would rule to kick out Bush (unless there are enough Republican RINO's voting with the Democrats). See impeachment process with Clinton - Republican majority house and Senate...
Anyway, back to the point....I don't think they would be able to impeach both President and Vice-President at the same time. If one of them leaves, then a new Vice-President is appointed by acting president (and approved by Congress)....Highly unlikely that Nancy Pelosi would ever become president. There would have to be a tragic accident or assasination for Nancy to ever become president.
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posted on
10/19/2006 5:51:18 AM PDT
by
Maringa
To: dhuffman@awod.com; DarthVader
Perhaps you should bone up on your rhetorical reading skills, chum. The "You" in Vader's post was clearly a collective pronoun referring to Congress.
I take it your recommended punishment was something you suffered frequently?
86
posted on
10/19/2006 5:54:39 AM PDT
by
MortMan
(I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
To: flynmudd
Make no mistake...this is coming
To: flynmudd
I just did. We have early voting here in Tennessee.
To: Maringa
Anyway, back to the point....I don't think they would be able to impeach both President and Vice-President at the same time. Why not? Because it wouldn't be fair? It wouldn't be gentlemanly? What would legally restrict them from impeaching both at the same time?
This is all that Article II, Section 4 says about impeachment:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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posted on
10/19/2006 5:57:09 AM PDT
by
Steel Wolf
(As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
To: flynmudd
...threaten the careers of existing Democratic Party members who do not tow the radical Left line.Will they be using a tugboat or a towtruck?
It's TOE, dammit! < /verbage police >
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posted on
10/19/2006 5:58:14 AM PDT
by
JimRed
("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
To: flynmudd
Good luck to them. It will be among the stupidest thing they could do.
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posted on
10/19/2006 5:59:14 AM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: flynmudd
If they win and try this stunt I guarantee they will get the civil war they never dreamed of and the military will not be on Pelosi's side.
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posted on
10/19/2006 6:06:03 AM PDT
by
tobyhill
(The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
To: DarthVader
That is true.
The donks will make the case that intercepting enemy communications that involve enemies here in the CONUS, violates rights to privacy, free association and freedom of speech. Coercive interrogation will be presented as instances of violating the right to remain silent, be represented by an attorney and not be forced to testify against oneself. Notice the recent spate of calls for Global Warming deniers to be tried for crimes against humanity.
None of these rise to the Constitutional level of impeachment. As you said: it is all policy. But they will try to use their political control to trash everything W has done to keep this nation safe. It will be intimidation on a grand scale.
They are not going to get away with this. Politically, impeachment is not attractive to the voters at large. One hit while this dog and pony show is going on and they will be neutered in their attempts and marginalized beyond belief for 2008. As of 2010, we will hold the demographic/EC advantage. Then they will switch the fight to changing the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College. That is an arduous process. All we will need to do is come out of one General Election with a landslide popular vote for a Republican and they will have to abandon their attempt to make popular votes the decisive factor.
The rules of the Congress give huge powers of obstruction to the minority, as we have seen. With so many Senators running for POTUS, there is no way they will join the left in this distraction 2 years out from a General Election where the donks have at least a chance at winning.
We may have to tie Cheney to the Senate podium, but none of this stuff is going to go beyond hearings and editorials/pollitorials. It is still poison and it will still further divide the nation and that may be their plan.God forbid they take a clear majority of the House and we will have our campaign prewritten for us in 2008.
However, if this fires up the base, then let's keep discussing it. People do need to know what they have planned. I don't think there are enough moonbats in the donk party to support endless hearings and lawsuits without decimating the Ds even further.
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posted on
10/19/2006 6:08:00 AM PDT
by
reformedliberal
("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
To: Steel Wolf
There isn't enough time for what? To cast two impeachment votes? There is a little more to it than just casting impeachment votes. The case has to be presented to Congress (and to the voters) and that takes time.
How long did it take for Clinton?
Better part of a year and a half, start to finish.
And for that matter, what do they care if it runs into '08 campaigning time
You misunderestimate three things. One, the will of the American people for this sort of thing in a time of war. I just don't think the electorate is going to tolerate trumped up charges against Bush and Cheney and this will be even more prevalent if we are hit with another terrorist attack (very likely, IMO). The 'Rats may very well try if they gain control of the House, but I predict a fizzle at best. This is especially true with so many of the Congresscritters voting in favor of the war in Iraq and regime change in Iraq as being the official policy of the United States since 1998.
Two, there simply isn't time for them to impeach a sitting POTUS and Vice POTUS and leave time for campaigning for the '08 election.
And three, you assume that the 'Pubbies will just sit by and allow it to happen. If you've been paying attention the past few years you should have noted how the minority party can delay all things in Congress, even with a very narrow margin of control, i.e. the current Senate. I seriously doubt that the 'Pubbies will just sit by an allow an impeachment to occur.
With all this being said, I still don't believe that the 'Rats will take control of both houses anyway. If they fail to take both houses, the impeachment thingy is dead.
To: DarthVader
To the dems, differing political philosophy is the equivalent to breaking the law.
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posted on
10/19/2006 6:12:06 AM PDT
by
doc30
(Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
To: seasoned traditionalist
I know for a fact, that many of them did NOT survive the "occupation" by North Vietnam and it not only saddens me, but make me highly agitated to think that this same scenario COULD easily happen again--regardless of those like yourself who are unwilling to believe that History can--and does--repeat itself.This is one of my worries if "they" take control again - a repeat in Iraq. There will be a slaughter of those who embraced liberty....unable to escape.
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Fleeing Vietnamese Refugees aboard the USS BLUE RIDGE
To: LibFreeUSA
How has the curent trifecta profitted Christian Conservatives?
To: Maringa
"I assume an impeachment process would proceed with either the president or vice-president, but not both at the same time.
If the Dims are stupid enough to actually try this (and, I think that they are as much of their 'leadership' has been blinded by BDS), most of middle America will view the undertaking as what it really is: an attempted coup.
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posted on
10/19/2006 6:14:20 AM PDT
by
Skywarner
(The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
To: seasoned traditionalist
REALLY? Then why is that right here, in the heart of "Conservative Country," Freepers have indicated on the poll that fully 25% of them WILL NOT be voting "R?" It seems the voter turnout drive by the Republicans is strong and Rove, that magnificent bastard, is very optimistic. There may be a gain of House seats for Republicans. This whole election will swing by voter turnout and I don't think Republicans are going to sit this one out.
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posted on
10/19/2006 6:16:52 AM PDT
by
doc30
(Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
To: samtheman
The invasion of Iraq, in my opinion, was a genius move, and was HIS genius move. I've been saying this for at least three years now. IMHO, our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan will go down in history as one of the most brilliant military strategies ever executed. We have gone into the desert, their desert, and invited every would-be thug Muzzie to come and fight our professional military, instead of taking the Clintonian tact of allowing them to come here and kill our civilians and fight our police, then trying to treat it like a legal issue.
We're killing the radical Muzzies by the thousands on their soil, trashing their infrastructure and rocking their world. Nothing short of brilliant, IMHO.
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