Posted on 10/19/2006 4:05:55 AM PDT by flynmudd
I vote that the label Conservative be limited to those who can actually form an English thought. Seconds?
If Christian Conservatives continue to vote for politicians who break their vows, then the politicians can, rationally, be confirmed in their cynicism that they can do what they want once voted into office and they can retain their power simply by scaring their base the democrats will be worse.
Liars must be punished rather than rewarded.
Republicans have had the opportuntiy to do just that ofr a LONG time. They haven't. Why would loss of the House embolden them? I think there is a MUCH better chance the Senate would vote Bush guilty as a way to "heal" the country and be rewarded with flattering photos and "political courage" coverage in the WaPo and NY Times
Granted, it takes time. Still, as you said, it was a year and a half, start to finish, with President Clinton. That was zero to sixty. Right now, the American people understand the case. Pres and VP Bush and Cheney, intentionally or negligently, lead the United States into a war under false pretext.
Article II section 4 says that impeachment may take place for Treason, Bribery, and High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Misleading a nation into war probably falls somewhere closer to Treason than Bribery, on the karmic scale. Also, the definition of "high crimes" is basically whatever the House of Representatives say it is. Given that we recently impeached a President for perjury, we'll have to conceed that the charge qualifies as an impeachable offense.
You misunderestimate three things. One, the will of the American people for this sort of thing in a time of war.
Again, bombs were falling during Clinton and Nixon. I wouldn't put too much faith in this angle.
I just don't think the electorate is going to tolerate trumped up charges against Bush and Cheney and this will be even more prevalent if we are hit with another terrorist attack (very likely, IMO).
America will be terrorist attack free if impeachment hearings start. That order will come down from the very top levels of al-Qa'ida. Remember, terrorism isn't about killing people for no reason. It's about using fear to effect political change.
The 'Rats may very well try if they gain control of the House, but I predict a fizzle at best. This is especially true with so many of the Congresscritters voting in favor of the war in Iraq and regime change in Iraq as being the official policy of the United States since 1998.
As the distinguished, French looking Senator pointed out, (and I paraphrase) "We were just voting in such a way as to make the threat of force look viable. You know, to aid negotiations. It was the Executive Branch that actually pulled the trigger. We trusted them. They fooled us."
Two, there simply isn't time for them to impeach a sitting POTUS and Vice POTUS and leave time for campaigning for the '08 election.
I fail to see why they can't do both at the same time. Especially in the latter stages, when the case is basically made, and the impeachment process is basically going through scheduled procedural motions.
And three, you assume that the 'Pubbies will just sit by and allow it to happen.... If they fail to take both houses, the impeachment thingy is dead.
To a great extent, this is all hypothetical, until we see who controls what after the elections. But, they only need to control the House to impeach someone. It's the Senate is required for a removal, and they'd have to win pretty big there for that to work.
I think that many Republicans would roll over and go along with an impeachment, but wouldn't really draw the line until it got to the point of actually removing people from office.
You have been trolling the doom and gloom on a variety of threads. The only comfort is knowing that you will disappear on November 8th.
...or a civil war.
I specialise in myssspellens. I guess you area of expertise is point-missing and leaden pedantry
My poor sister and bro in law have been having to hold their noses while voting for Republicans since the left wing extremist have stolen the DNC from their base.
Poor dims.
You also may wish to reserve casting aspersions on someone's intellect when you post things like this:
We might could survive a RAT Senate.
Really? Would it be a result of "that there gubmint" election?
You were right about one thing. I am a little too young to remember the 60s congress. However, you cannot totally blame the congress of the times for the debacles of the 60s and 70s. Partial blame goes to the other half of your generation who were handed everything on a silver platter in the post-WWII years, chose not to stand up for their country, and have brought about the steady decline of American values since.
You were obviously not one of them. We thank you for that. Lest there be any confusion, I will be at the polls on November 7th. I am not among the (bogus, unreliable data) 25% in this poll you seem to have taken as gospel. My partcipation in service to this country and its political process are not in question. I'm not the problem.
My favorite part of it is the fact we'll have Iran boxed in when it's time to deal with them. Everyone (on the Left) gasped when he named Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as the Axis of Evil. I really doubt anyone can dispute it, now.
Get every Democrat, including Chaffee, Snowe, Collins and Hagel to answer. Get them on record. Make it clear to the American people that they would be voting to send the country into turmoil. 33% of the country would be delighted and 67% would be disgusted at the prospect.
The very minute the demoCommieRATS pull this move....WAR WILL ENSUE!!!! It will be Americans Vs. Anti-Americans!!!!
True Bloodbath Time!!!!
Though I am a W supporter, I would rather see him impeached than see this scenario acted out. I wouldn't follow any president in the process of turning the US into a third-world hellhole. Generations of us have sweated and bled far to much for our Constitution to trash it now.
If you live to see GWB impeached, you won't have to worry about the Constitution because the 'Rats will have nullified everything within it.
I understand that it isn't easy to wrap your mind around the idea that the Democratic Party is no longer a political party, but in fact is a subversive organization no different than the CPUSA, indeed - the policies of the 'Rats are in many ways indistinguishable from those of the Communists.
The Party of FDR, Truman, JFK, Scoop Jackson and Humphrey has been subverted, hijacked and transformed into the Party of Lenin and Stalin. And that is not hyperbole.
Sure it is. The Party of FDR, Truman, JFK, Scoop Jackson and Humphrey has been subverted, hijacked and transformed into the Party of Clinton and Pelosi. Comparing the feeble, craven pack of hustlers at the DNC to the great tyrants of the 20th century is nothing more than hyperventilating nonsense.
Oh brother.
Since when did "voting" and "impeachment" become the same thing?
Oh no, I'm with you on that point. I simply disagree that impeachment proceedings initiated by these snakes in the grass would be sufficient justification for a declaration of martial law.
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