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Breaking Up Ain't Hard to Do - James Baker prepares the exits in Iraq
Reason Foundation ^ | October 12, 2006 | Michael Young

Posted on 10/12/2006 5:58:42 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 10/12/2006 5:58:43 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

“three highly autonomous regions.”


Asking for trouble down the road if you ask me.
Maybe it is a quicker solution, but long term it sounds like we would end up having to go back in again.


2 posted on 10/12/2006 6:04:20 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Money is the big issue. There is oil in the Kurdish North, Oil in the Shiite South, and bupkis in the middle where the largest population the Sunni live. They are not going to accept it if the oil revenue isn't divied up. It's reality.


3 posted on 10/12/2006 6:05:36 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: neverdem

This committee can recommend whatever it likes. Iraq now has a sovereign government. It's what that government wishes that will happen.


4 posted on 10/12/2006 6:08:29 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Why on earth would we need to "go back in?"

Leave the Muslims to their own devices, in their own lands.

And kick them out of the West.


5 posted on 10/12/2006 6:09:02 PM PDT by ivy
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To: neverdem

Wasn't there a published poll recently that said that 70% of the Iraqis don't want their country split up? Does that count or mean anything?


6 posted on 10/12/2006 6:09:58 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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"Wasn't there a published poll recently that said that 70% of the Iraqis don't want their country split up?"

Maybe they prefer to relentlessly kill each other as one nation under Allah.

7 posted on 10/12/2006 6:12:32 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: ivy

We should definitely strive for permanent basing. We need this for future wars against Iran other middle east targets.


8 posted on 10/12/2006 6:20:13 PM PDT by lonestar67
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To: neverdem

Perhaps first mentioned here on FR by yours truly, circa 1998!


9 posted on 10/12/2006 6:23:04 PM PDT by dodger
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To: ivy

"Why on earth would we need to "go back in?" "

Radical nutters running a nation that enables terrorists.


10 posted on 10/12/2006 6:24:26 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

There is a far simpler solution, but PC and Multiculturalism won't allow it.


11 posted on 10/12/2006 6:27:15 PM PDT by ivy
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To: ivy

Wasn't Baker (along with Colin Powell) the reason Saddam was left in power after the 1st Gulf War?


12 posted on 10/12/2006 6:31:51 PM PDT by nvcdl
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To: Names Ash Housewares

You said -- "Asking for trouble down the road if you ask me."

Yep, I think so, too.

There was a commercial that said -- "You can pay me now, or pay me later." And that's what this is about. We can pay for the job (to be done in Iraq) now -- or we can do it later. It's going to be paid for, one way or another, though. It might be worse later.

Regards,
Star Traveler


13 posted on 10/12/2006 6:34:00 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: nuconvert

You said -- "Wasn't there a published poll recently that said that 70% of the Iraqis don't want their country split up? Does that count or mean anything?"

I would guess not, especially since we're paying a big bill on everything.

Regards,
Star Traveler


14 posted on 10/12/2006 6:35:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

But if they don't want it, how can it be successful?


15 posted on 10/12/2006 6:38:49 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: neverdem
I don't look forward to how badly they are about to screw the whole game plan up. Baker for one keeps on patting himself on the back as how he sat down and talked with the Syrians. Yea.
Well Baker have you noticed how Syria has acted since then.
Damn fools.
I hope the POTUS is simply giving this set of clowns lip service and has no intentions of following anything they put in writing.
The aftermath of the Senate 9/11 Report and follow up reports from different branches of this government has shown yet again they are mostly a bunch of screw ups at best, and damn rotten liers and evil operators toward a more realistic appraisal.
Damn if I would give them an inch. Meanwhile the Islamos sit and wait, hoping the way is being paved for them to move forward with their agendas, once this administration is is totally hogged tied.
16 posted on 10/12/2006 6:39:26 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: neverdem

There is no easy answer to the Iraq issue. That is something we should all agree on.

But I say, we give our troops better protection and better protection orders and we keep burning through all the Islamic Hotheads in the Middle East with our firepower.

That is also something we should all agree on.


17 posted on 10/12/2006 6:39:40 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: nuconvert

"Wasn't there a published poll recently that said that 70% of the Iraqis don't want their country split up? Does that count or mean anything?"

Yes, I think that was also called the CONSTITUTIONAL ELECTION.

Geez, this is not good news if it becomes another exercise in State Dept style handwringing.

There is violence in Iraq because violence terrorists are making it so. Break Iraq up and they still will be there.

Far better if we simply left Iraq to a strongman dictator. I hate saying that, but these kooky ideas that ignore what Iraqis themselves want are dangerous.

Partition is dangerous because it would leave a rump Kurd state that will agitate turkey, a rump Sunni state that will harbor terrorists and a rump Shiite state that will be under Iran's influence ... how does that help us *at all*? It doesnt! Biden is a block head and so are those who take this kind of colonial line redrawing seriously. Let Iraq decide!


18 posted on 10/12/2006 6:44:53 PM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: nuconvert

"But if they don't want it, how can it be successful?"

As an entire nation, I believe they do as evidenced by so many that voted and participated in the elections. As a nation divided, I fear exactly what you say above, those that wont want it will dominate the divided nations.


19 posted on 10/12/2006 6:46:09 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: neverdem
Why would anyone trust this arabist to advise this President on geo political affairs.

Blech

20 posted on 10/12/2006 6:48:15 PM PDT by OldFriend (Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? President Karzai 9/26/06)
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