Posted on 10/12/2006 2:27:51 PM PDT by Eurotwit
Really? In what way?
Actually Iraq was pretty much under the control of British administration and American money. It was a success in that Britain and the USA kept France, Germany and Russia away from the oil. So I am not sure what you mean by that?
As for Afghanistan well...even with modern technology only Kabul is under control even today.
Sorry, wasn't clear enough.
I meant the 1920-23 British led Indian Army Expeditionary force into the Mesopotamian provinces of Basra, Baghdad and Kurdistan against the Ottomans. (what, the British attacked furniture!)
And the Raj's military expeditions into Afghanistan in the 19th Century.
But, just to be ornery, the Twentieth Century didn't begin until Versailles, the calendar notwithstanding.
Ireland was never part of Britain. It was a constituent of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland". Nor logically could a constituent part of the UK empire be within that Empire any more than Scotland, Wales or England was.
(That is why today the UK is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." The countries of England, Wales and Scotland are Britain while Northern Ireland makes up the rest of the UK)
The second point is your own personal version of history. :p ;)
couldn't agree more bro.
he's right on some counts.
"He lambasts Tony Blair's desire to forge a "liberal democracy" in Iraq as a "naive" failure"
100 percent correct
"And he warns that "whatever consent we may have had in the first place" from the Iraqi people "has largely turned to intolerance."
can anyone even argue about his?
"* He was "outraged" by reports of injured soldiers recouperating in hospital alongside civilians being confronted by anti-war campaigners who told them to remove their uniforms."
So was I. And this guy is some kind of p***y? He is standing up for his men.
* He gave Defence Secretary Des Browne a dressing down about the "unaccepatble" treatment of injured soldiers, warning him that the government was in danger of breaking the "covenant" between a nation and its Army and should not "let the Army down."
Again, 100 percent correct.
"He says clearly we shoud "get ourselves out sometime soon because our presence exacerbates the security problems."
"I think history will show that the planning for what happened after the initial successful war fighting phase was poor, probably based more on optimism than sound planning," he said."
Again, 100 percent correct.
"The original intention was that we put in place a liberal democracy that was an exemplar for the region, was pro West and might have a beneficial effect on the balance within the Middle East."
"That was the hope, whether that was a sensible or naïve hope history will judge. I don’t think we are going to do that. I think we should aim for a lower ambition."
100 percent correct.
Sir Richard warned that the consequences will be felt at home, where failure to support Christian values is allowing a predatory Islamist vision to take hold.
He said: "When I see the Islamist threat in this country I hope it doesn’t make undue progress because there is a moral and spiritual vacuum in this country."
"Our society has always been embedded in Christian values; once you have pulled the anchor up there is a danger that our society moves with the prevailing wind."
"There is an element of the moral compass spinning. I think it is up to society to realise that is the situation we are in."
100 percent correct.
"We can’t wish the Islamist challenge to our society away and I believe that the army both in Iraq and Afghanistan and probably wherever we go next, is fighting the foreign dimension of the challenge to our accepted way of life."
"We need to face up to the Islamist threat, to those who act in the name of Islam and in a perverted way try to impose Islam by force on societies that do not wish it."
"It is said that we live in a post Christian society. I think that is a great shame. The broader Judaic-Christian tradition has underpinned British society. It underpins the British army."
100 percent correct.
"But he condemned the treatment of injured British soldiers, who have been forced to share wards with civilians in Selly Oak hospital in Birmingham.
Sir Richard said he confronted Mr Browne about the "covenant" between a nation and its armed forces.
"I said to the Secretary of State the army wont let the nation down but I don’t want the nation to let the army down."
"It is not acceptable for our casualties to be in mixed wards with civilians. I was outraged at the story of someone saying ‘take your uniform off’. Our people need the privacy of recovering in a military environment - a soldier manning a machine gun in Basra loses consciousness when he is hit by a missile and next recovers consciousness in a hospital in the UK."
"He wants to wake up to familiar sights and sounds, he wants to see people in uniform. He doesn’t want to be in a civilian environment."
He added: "I am going to stand up for what is right for the army. Honesty is what it is about. The truth will out. We have got to speak the truth."
100 percent correct. Cheers, buddy.
Ashley Wilkes had the decency to retire first. What's going on here?
Non-Muslims cannot reform Islam. It's up to them. If they do not do so, then internment, deportation and banishment is where this is going. Like it or not.
And I agree with you bro.
Are you military or spook?
The "Cheers" was a giveaway.
Cheers!
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