Posted on 10/11/2006 6:46:16 PM PDT by Sabramerican
I just attempted to explain it to you.
Israel claims that it has a right to it and it build on it to assert that right.
But Israel did not annex it because it has always been willing to concede large portions of it in exchange for a genuine peace.
In any event the area is in dispute. It is not occupied by any legitimate legal definition because it does not lawfully belong to anyone else.
Well, if that's the baseline assumption you're coming from then I guess Israel can do no wrong.
Like Rice, maybe you missed it although it was in all the papers.
Israel- suicidally- gave Gaza away.
But funny thing. Read and listen to anything from the barbarian side and you will discover that they still consider Gaza occupied by Israel.
Strange that word "occupied". Loved by the barbarians, their Leftist and Jew hating allies, and Rice.
Bingo.
Occupation is the surface argument against coexistence with Jews.
The Pali/Arab/Persian view is either ship them back to Europe or exterminate them. Occupation is the euphemism - the ginned up causis belli
I never argued that Israel didn't have a right to build the settlements outside of the annexed areas. I always thought it was a stupid idea to build them deep into areas with a heavy Palestinian population because you don't want the eventual recognized international border of Israel to encompass enough Palestinians to fundamentally change the demographics of Israel.
The last thing Israel should want to do is to annex the entire West Bank, because Israel will quickly become an arab state.
In my opinion, although the Israelis vehemently deny it, the wall that is being built will undoubtedly become the international border of Israel. I don't see any other outcome.
I didn't miss anything. I asked you to show me where the current government was claiming Gaza as sovereign territory, and you deflected it with an insult.
Obviously Israel is not now claiming Gaza. It gave it away.
Of course the other side of that coin is that if it was occupied by Israel since 1967 and Israel ended that "occupation" then Gaza should be a sovereign entity today.
But no one considers it such. Why not? Who occupies it now?
I guess the same entity that occupies those portions of the West Bank where Israel no longer exerts authority. The Palestinian Authority clearly has the ability to become a recognized nation if it chooses to join the ranks of civilized nations.
It's not willing at present to do so. Unlike Israel's eastern border, there seems to be no dispute as to Gaza's borders, except by those who believe it should be all Israeli territory.
I think those people are crazy, because if it's Israeli territory, Israel just added a million new arabs as citizens.
So something less than a nation occupies those lands. And it serves a lot of political agendas to keep it that way, although it ensures that unrest will continue indefinitely.
A Fatah/Hamas civil war would probably help immensely, assuming Fatah prevailed. There's no chance for a poltical solution between Israel and the sub-nation that occupies those territories to reach any lasting agreement in the present environment.
And some folks have thought that she should be president.
Yikes.
Secession, no. As I noted, and as they admit, they aren't in the position to acheive their goals by violence, as many palestinians feel they are.
Some others, a minority, feel the destruction of Israel will be best brought about by flooding the country with Arab immigrants, the right of return, which won't happen either.
As I noted before, there's a body of thought in the LaRaza movement that voting majorities can accomplish a great deal. No, they won't secede. And the federal government still controls the borders. But local and state government controls the educational system. The police, including input in the level of cooperation with the feds should we ever get serious about illegal immigratin. Language, the nation doesn't have one last time I looked. A state could adopt spanish. Drivers license, voting, all local control. Welfare, a great deal of local input, and a state can adopt any program they care to, and finance it with state taxes. As they can with health care, minimum wage, and working conditions.
There's a reason LaRaza, and others, want citizenship for illegals. You're being naive if you think the only risk is secession, which isn't a risk at all.
While I don't like that, it's up to the state's voters to decide. That's how the Founders intended it.
If radical legal voters take charge in some southwestern states we can moan, but they also have to live with what they brought upon themselves.
It is, and that's what they're driving for. Legally, and within the system.
We certainly do. But I seriously doubt that we will ever see anyone even close to him in my lifetime.
This puts into some reasonable doubt the authenticity of this story.
It's a bit brash to call Rice "anti-Israel" on the basis of this story alone (even if it is accurate). And it's certainly no reason for Jews interested in the future of Israel to vote for Dummycrats!
If someone can confirm the basic details mentioned in the story from a more credible source, please let me know.
This puts into some reasonable doubt the authenticity of this story.
It's a bit brash to call Rice "anti-Israel" on the basis of this story alone (even if it is accurate). And it's certainly no reason for Jews interested in the future of Israel to vote for Dummycrats!
If someone can confirm the basic details mentioned in the story from a more credible source, please let me know.
Condi is once again out of line with her remarks about Israel.
Condi just keeps disappointing me over and over. Our country better stand strong as a friend to Israel. But it won't be if Condi has her way. This makes me furious the things she has said here and other things.
Condi Rice seems to have forgotten, God gave that land to the Jewish people period. It is their land, and in view of her actions towards Israel I have a real hard time believing that she is a Christian, and if she is then she needs to read Bible prophecy more.
Effete kvetching.
Anytime a majority of American Jews decide to love Israel more than they love to spite a (even nominally) observant or (nominally) conservative Christian, I guess I'll see the committment I'm hoping for and waiting for. Until then, it looks like you're stuck with the likes of Condi. Will she or nil she, I'd vote her in. Even if she were pro-Israel, she'd get little help, it's becoming clear. At some point, it's not going to be worth the effort for either Repub or Dem, or even evangelical. You cannot save Israel without the Jews.
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