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N. Korea: China on alert over a nuclear neighbour(PLA pouring into the border)
Sunday Times ^ | 10/08/06 | Michael Sheridan

Posted on 10/08/2006 8:43:01 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: gogogodzilla

apologies to you (if you felt left out) but it was addressed to somebody else and was humorous for them. :-)


61 posted on 10/08/2006 12:06:40 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (..is an American allright, but is not in Japan, folks. Thanks for letting me keep the moniker.)
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To: kjo
The N. Korean long China's pet is getting under its owners skin.

Bah. This story is nothing but propaganda fodder. North Korea wouldn't be able to do squat without China's blessing.

These noises of discontent are nothing but a smokescreen. If China didn't want North Korea to have the bomb, North Korea would have had (yet another) puppet regime put in place.

Don't buy the hype here. Nothing is happening in Pyongyang without Beijing's consent.

62 posted on 10/08/2006 12:22:51 PM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Bets on ChiCom invading NoKo?

Bets on vice versa?


63 posted on 10/08/2006 12:28:07 PM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Iris7

What, and have China declare war against Serbia?


64 posted on 10/08/2006 12:38:41 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: monkeywrench

thanks for u american's longsight after WW II.

althogn at that time china was very poor,u amercian still helped china get into P5 in UNSC.

such a decision seemed no meaning at that time.russian and britishmen even somewhat laughed at it.

but this wise decision pushed china from the dissent of the new world order into the team of order-keepers.

if china were out of P5 of UN,with its economic and military power,would china just seat itself complaining as india does?

if so,all the world maybe has to meet another German.


65 posted on 10/08/2006 1:00:29 PM PDT by sinoguy
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To: AmericanInTokyo

well,chinese aim on korean affairs.
1,china don't want N.K. regime to collapse and two korea to be reunited .china want state quo.
espeically china can't stand a united korea as american ally.

2.although china want to protect N.K.,china don't care Kim at all.in fact,china think kim is a troublemaker.
if possible,china would be glad to see kim's retirement.

so if american bombed out KIM's nuke faciltis but stayed out of N.K.,china would surely be pleased.
after nuke toys were destroyed by u american,maybe china would send some troops to N.K and make crazy Kim retire.

whether china will be eventual ur enemy or not,at least,both china and american can cooperate to get red of the crazy kim.


66 posted on 10/08/2006 1:22:49 PM PDT by sinoguy
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To: GAB-1955

Grin and chuckle.


67 posted on 10/08/2006 1:41:08 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"The Chinese authorities are also irate over an influx of counterfeit US dollar bills and vast quantities of fake Viagra from North Korea."

That's a kick. Let's send boatloads of South Amirecans there to screw them both up!

68 posted on 10/08/2006 1:50:02 PM PDT by BobS
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To: sinoguy

Russia supported Chiang Kai Shek. Mao detested Stalin. US did not support Mao, but refused military aid to Chiang Kai Shek. Too bad about the misunderstanding with Korea last century. N Kor was pawn of Russia, but Mao invaded N Kor and Russia is gone from N Kor now. Want to buy Taiwan? Fair price $1 trillion US dollars.


69 posted on 10/08/2006 1:55:48 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Then, in front of the Chinese troops, one seized her and another speared her hand — the soft part between thumb and forefinger — with the point of a sharpened steel cable, which he twisted into a leash. “She screamed just like a pig when we kill it at home in the village,” the soldier later told his relative. “Then they dragged her away.”

Animals.

Along with the gamblers from China going to N. Korea, the other forbidden vices such as trafficking in child sex is undoubtedly common. These are communist regimes, after all.
70 posted on 10/08/2006 2:49:51 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: sinoguy
1,china don't want N.K. regime to collapse and two korea to be reunited .china want state quo. espeically china can't stand a united korea as american ally. 2.although china want to protect N.K.,china don't care Kim at all.in fact,china think kim is a troublemaker. if possible,china would be glad to see kim's retirement.

I've wondered before if China is hoping for the utter collapse of Kim's regime and then N. Korea will be absorbed into China. Bang, more lebensraum for the Chinese.

After Tibet and the war against India years back and the landgrabbing of Chinese in southeastern Russian, it's clear that China will grab land, any land, by any means possible.
71 posted on 10/08/2006 2:53:57 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: sinoguy

Ha ha. The un is over. They haven't rolled over, yet, but they will.


72 posted on 10/08/2006 3:16:03 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/9/29/102153.shtml

"The Chinese laser attacks have been kept secret by the Bush administration because of concerns that the news could damage relations with Beijing. The Bush administration has long held hope that China could help diplomatic efforts with Iran and NORTH KOREA".

The worse NK behaves the more Washington has to suck up to China, now to the point of compromising national security over satellites which are the keystone of US force projection.

And China is now going to throw Kim under the bus? Not.


73 posted on 10/08/2006 3:25:21 PM PDT by motorola7
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To: TigerLikesRooster
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/08/nkorea.tests.ap/index.html

CNN now reporting "North Korea may drop nuclear test"

There won't be a test or a bomb (unless something radical changes) because the moment after the big bang China loses big time.
It loses its phony leverage over the US and drives the Japanese into a whole new world view.

It's hard to imagine a more formidable force than the combined air and naval assets of the US and a rearmed Japan.

It's enough to even scare the PLA over their blue water ambitions and plans for "reunifying" Taiwan.
74 posted on 10/08/2006 3:43:34 PM PDT by motorola7
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To: kjo
 

Who'd a thunk it! The N. Korean long China's pet is getting under its owners skin. Are we and the PRC on the same side on this one?

I think the more likely answer is this one from the article: 

The sense that Kim’s regime is losing control lies behind the Chinese military buildup. But some South Korean MPs fear China could grab territory from the north in the event of a collapse.

Should China use this crisis to seize territory for themselves that they have no legitimate claim to, we should place troops in Taiwan, arm them to the hilt and officially recognize them as a sovereign nation.
 

75 posted on 10/08/2006 3:59:46 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Nahh, don't worry about it.

Was just checking to see if you knew SKATS.


76 posted on 10/08/2006 4:05:18 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breath some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: motorola7
China Attacks U.S. Satellites

Charles R. Smith

Friday, Sept. 29, 2006

China has fired a new and powerful land-based laser at U.S. spacecraft in an attempt to blind American space reconnaissance.

The report that China is firing lasers at U.S. satellites first appeared in the military affairs publication Defense News and on the Web site Strategypage.com.

The Chinese laser attacks have been kept secret by the Bush administration because of concerns that the news could damage relations with Beijing. The Bush administration has long held hope that China could help diplomatic efforts with Iran and North Korea.

The attacks reportedly have been ongoing for nearly three years.

The damage done by the Chinese against U.S. spacecraft has not been released.

According to the reports, senior officials stated that American satellites have come under attack "several times" in recent years. The laser attacks are a violation of space treaties signed by China and can be considered an act of war according to international law.

The laser attacks have raised alarms inside the U.S. military and intelligence community who depend on space based reconnaissance satellites. U.S. satellites are considered critical for U.S. defense and global military/intelligence operations.

"Flagrant communist abuse plus Washington going Ostrich equals tragedy for the American people. If history has taught us anything, it's that every time we show an enemy our tail feathers, they oblige us with both boots," stated Rick Fisher, vice president of the International Assessment and Strategy Center.

"So far the press coverage has missed an important dimension. The tortured language in the DoD PLA report about Chinese use of ground-based lasers dates back to the very first such report in 1998. This indicates to me that Chinese lasing of critical U.S. satellites may preceed that date. But by how much, clearly, our Ostrich-inclinded bureaucracy is loathe to admit," noted Fisher.

"But is it possible that for a decade now, the PLA has had the ability to launch a 'Pearl Harbor' attack against U.S. assets in space? And during the very same period, China has been the global champion of an outer space treaty that would limit U.S. military activities in space, all the while they have been developing their own," stated Fisher. "But one can legitimately ask: Why has the Bush administration continued in a practice of self-censorship clearly started by the Clinton Administration?

"What advantage has been gained by denying the American people critical information that hyper-expensive space technology fundemental to their security has been vulnerable to attack, potentially, since before this decade? Has China in any way stopped its development of space weapons, its proliferation of missiles, its diplomatic protection of Iran and North Korea because we decided not to tell the truth about this attack on America in space?" asked Fisher.

Access to U.S. Space Technology

The news of the Chinese laser attacks comes at the same time the Bush administration announced that it intends to extend a waiver allowing Beijing access to U.S. space technology. The waiver published in the Federal Register by the State Department allows China continued access to U.S. space technology despite violations of nuclear and missile proliferation.

"Ultimately, the pass on the China nuclear waiver coincides with the visit of the U.S. Treasury secretary to Beijing and Ju Jintao's minuet on promises for economic reforms while doing little more than cosmetic adjustments on currency and the trade deficit," stated Al Santoli, director of the Asia-America Initiative, a Washington based non-profit organization dedicated to promoting democratic ideals, strengthening international security, and mediating in conflict-plagued areas throughout the Asia-Pacific region.

"It should be clear to all American policy-makers and the public that there is no single significant national security threat to the United States greater than China's nuclear ballistic missile expansion. This is especially pertinent with China's submarine-based MIRVs that are the developing the range and mobility to hit almost any area of the United States," noted Santoli.

"The waiver also gives Beijing a lack of respect for the Bush administration in holding to its promises to cease proliferation of strategic weapons technologies and materials to rogue states," stated Santoli.

"A third factor, is that it will radicalize Japan to develop nuclear weapons in its own defense, which will alienate other American allies in the Asia Pacific region, including South Korea, who see emerging Japanese nationalism and remember Japanese occupation of their homelands with great fear and sadness," noted Santoli.

The Chinese attacks on U.S. satellites come as no surprise to NewsMax readers. In fact, I reported in 2004 that U.S. military satellites had suffered a number of attacks by a ground based laser system. At that time Pentagon officials refused to identify the sources of the laser attacks.

I first published reports and diagrams of a Chinese anti-satellite laser which surfaced in a 1998 Pentagon report. "The table shows a requirement for a 4 meter diameter beam director mirror for an anti-satellite mission," noted the report describing Chinese military efforts.

The report noted that comments from the director of the Beijing Institute of Remote Sensing and a report issued by the Chinese 1028th Research Institute of the Ministry of Information Industry showed that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) was actively developing lasers for space warfare.

Prelude to War?

"This scandal is so sadly similar to the revelations in 1976 that the Soviet Union had been beaming microwaves against our embassy in Moscow for 15 years.

"Back then it was reported that Henry Kissinger did not want to make a fuss because of larger diplomatic stakes with the Soviets. So as a result it is possible we helped some Americans get cancer and die early," stated Rick Fisher from the International Assessment and Strategy Center.

"Today the stakes now affect us all: If China succeeded in blinding our imaging satellites or putting our communication satellites out of commission, we would very likely lose a rapid-punch Chinese-style war over Taiwan or in Central Asia.

"With that, the global balance of power would shift against America until we won the next war, which you can bet would entail a horrific price," concluded Fisher.

There should be no mistake, these are direct attacks on U.S. assets operating in international space according to law. The blatant violations and the attacks will continue until something is done.

The Chinese attacks in space, the proliferation of advanced Chinese missiles to Hezbollah, Beijing's growing nuclear arsenal, and the lack of response by Washington all adds up to appeasement.

It is said that a coward's way out of war is to cut and run. However, a coward's way into war is appeasement.

77 posted on 10/08/2006 4:06:07 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

ping!


78 posted on 10/08/2006 6:19:27 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (..is an American allright, but is not in Japan, folks. Thanks for letting me keep the moniker.)
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To: Iris7
Interesting. Certainly the NPRK is an important part of Beijing's Japan strategy. On the other hand a Japan able and willing to fight a nuclear war is not. A nice little North Korean "provocation" could be a convincing casus bellum. Perhaps a fabricated "Archduke Ferdinand" incident?

As I said earlier, our mutual defense pacts in East Asia are contingent on local powers not having nukes. What isn't commonly known is that Uncle Sam shields them under his nuclear umbrella, which is another way of saying that any attack on them with nukes will bring a nuclear response from Sam. However, this umbrella - and the mutual defense pacts Uncle Sam has with them - is contingent upon those states remaining non-nuclear - any other option subjects the US to too many unpredictable risks. If Japan and South Korea get their own nuclear arsenals, they are effectively on their own. There is no way they are going to replicate either the US nuclear armory or American conventional might. This is why I believe China has calculated just about right - that Japan and South Korea aren't going to do anything for fear of being expelled from the alliance, and China will have added a new risk to Uncle Sam's strategic calculations.
79 posted on 10/08/2006 7:31:57 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: elmer fudd
Perhaps you missed that we have airborne recon circling NK airspace with sensors which can detect the slightest changes in radiation in the air. If they go boom we will know it ourselves as soon as anyone.
80 posted on 10/08/2006 7:45:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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