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U.S. fence ends immigration dream of Mexico's Fox
washingtonpost ^ | September 30, 2006 | Alistair Bell

Posted on 09/30/2006 8:56:37 PM PDT by VU4G10

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To: VU4G10

Too bad!


21 posted on 09/30/2006 9:41:57 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: norton

I'd like to see more than his dreams shattered . . .

--the rank corruption
--the in-bed-with-marxists and drug lords
--the violence
--the remittance of so much money back so freely and so unfettered to our hurt


22 posted on 09/30/2006 9:42:32 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: bordergal

Very glad it was funded . . . but a new habit has appeared . . . rare in the corrupt halls of Washington . . .

just not doing things that are not desired to be done, funding, or not.


23 posted on 09/30/2006 9:43:55 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: sageb1
“It is also essential that throughout a pandemic all borders and major roads remain open…”

What?

24 posted on 09/30/2006 9:44:10 PM PDT by norton
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To: sageb1

THANKS

for continuing to raise folks consciousness on these facts and this horrid globalist plan.


25 posted on 09/30/2006 9:48:50 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: kalee
Call me cynical, but I see it as one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" things.

Agreed. Building the wall will run about as smoothly as rebuilding the WTC.


26 posted on 09/30/2006 9:57:26 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: marron
When Mexico drug its feet in acknowledging 911, when they did nothing to help in Afghanistan, opposed us openly in the UN during the run-up to the Iraq war, when they openly sided with France against us, any sympathy on the part of conservatives for a pro-Mexico border policy died.
I was living in Cuernavaca on 9-11. Mexican media had non-stop coverage, cancelled it's national fiestas (scheduled for 9-15) around the world in sympathy with the U.S. and hardly "dug in its feet". Constitutionally, the only way Mexico can commit troops abroad is if they are directly attacked (even their decision to enter WWII, when Mexican ships were sunk by German U-boats, was questioned at the time). It didn't help that the British were caught spying on U.N. Ambassador Aguillar Zinser, which certainly tilted the Mexican diplomatic corps against helping the Brits. And, by extention, the U.S.

This wall -- much of which is being built in areas where Homeland Security says it's useless and other measures are better suited, is going to increase immigrration, not lower it. Right now, you have a lot of "commuter illegals" who work in the U.S., but return home regularly (where I live, right on the border, sometimes daily). If these people can't get home to take care of their families, you can be sure they're going to bring their families to the U.S. You won't have anchor babies... you'll have anchor grannies and cousins as well.

27 posted on 09/30/2006 10:58:54 PM PDT by rpgdfmx
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To: VU4G10

The fence is mostly boob bait. It will take years to complete. Meanwhile the illegals are colonizing our country and their employers/landlords don't even get slapped on the wrist for enabling them.


28 posted on 09/30/2006 11:40:43 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: rpgdfmx; marron
It sounds like you're describing a one-way fence, it blocks exfiltration but not infiltration. This sounds more like a membrane than a fence.

I think Marron is valid in his overall point which is that conservatives recognized that we owe nothing to Mexico after witnessing the Mexicans trying to be more French than the French.

The fence is a force multiplier, not an impenetrable barrier. Coupled with technology and, above all, a real will, we will become more effective in closing the border. Without the will, there is no hope that we will be able to get to the root of the matter which is to apply sanctions against employers.


29 posted on 10/01/2006 1:30:40 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: VU4G10
Mexican President Vicente Fox retires in November with his dream shattered of a U.S. immigration overhaul that would allow millions more Mexicans to work legally north of the border.

How does the wall change that? All it does is keep out illegal immigrants. In fact, it could strengthen the procedures for getting legal Mexican immigrants in the US if US businessmen need them that badly by cutting off the supply of illegal immigrants.

30 posted on 10/01/2006 1:38:19 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; FairOpinion; ...
Bush said at the time the United States had no more important foreign relation than the one with Mexico, but his focus shifted to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq after the September 11 attacks. Mexico insisted on some kind of concession on immigration but critics say Fox did not understand that the new U.S. focus on homeland security made that almost impossible... "It was a total failure by Fox's government," said Manuel Camacho Solis, of the main opposition Party of the Democratic Revolution.
Meanwhile, Fox did nothing while the drug cartels (and soon, Venezuela-financed guerrilas) took over much of his country. The Fence had better be complete, sea to sea, before much longer, but in the meantime, I'll be grateful for the 700 miles approved thus far. Mexico is a goner. American retirees will decamp (or die off by natural causes, with no fill-behind) and US tourism to Mexico will fall, precisely because of the lawlessness; that will accelerate the decline.
31 posted on 10/01/2006 4:14:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: marron

Well put.


32 posted on 10/01/2006 4:16:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: VU4G10

What's wrong with millions of Mexicans finding jobs in Mexico? Revolutionary idea?


33 posted on 10/01/2006 4:17:53 AM PDT by hershey
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To: umgud
The really solve the illegal and potential terrorist problem, we still need interior enforcement, but this is a good and needed step.

It's a good, important first step. The first rule of a plumber is when fixing a flooded bathroom, the first thing to do is turn off the water.

Mark

34 posted on 10/01/2006 4:19:07 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: norton
“It is also essential that throughout a pandemic all borders and major roads remain open…”

What?

I guess that's a new definition for "quarentine."

Mark

35 posted on 10/01/2006 4:21:50 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: sageb1

Once multi-millions flooded across the border, Fox and Bush figured the 'we can't possibly sent that many home' would work. Throw up our hands and say, "Gee, I guess our amigos from the south are here to stay. Who knew. Well, immigration is a good thing. America needs good workers. You wouldn't complain if they were all English or Irish!" Ad nauseum. We wouldn't notice hospital ER's closing, crime waves, drugs, no jobs for local kids, people demanding Mexican rights, Mexican flags flown, demonstrations on the streets, SSI, all education including college paid for by US taxpayers, etc.. Not to mention the fact that laws were being broken left and right and DC didn't care. Plus the fact that we're at war.


36 posted on 10/01/2006 4:25:13 AM PDT by hershey
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To: kalee

I hve already hear enviromentalist grouse about animal migrations and such. I suspect to have the the tree huggers sue to stop it. My biggest complaint is after we built teh 700 miles when will we built the rest to completely seal the border.


37 posted on 10/01/2006 4:28:49 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: rpgdfmx

Interesting take.


38 posted on 10/01/2006 4:31:12 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: VU4G10
I don't plan on holding my breath until the wall is built.

Carolyn

39 posted on 10/01/2006 4:32:37 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Hugin

"Maybe if he had concentrated on fixing his own rotten country instead of trying to interfere with ours he wouldn't have been such a miserable failure."

And risk assassination by the corrupt power structure? Fox is laughing all the way to our bank.


40 posted on 10/01/2006 4:37:56 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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