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Thwart slayings by arming staff
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | September 30, 2006 | Editorial

Posted on 09/30/2006 6:31:04 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: Loud Mime
"Let's say your wife goes nutty and starts shooting you. Wouldn't you want to be in a position to return fire?"

Heck yes!

21 posted on 09/30/2006 7:19:59 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: csvset

Oh no! An assault weapon with an evil folding stock, think of the children csvset, the children!!
/sarc

Actually is that a "super" m90, I heard it could fire both beanbags and regular shot seems like a good thingfor a school to have. Man it looks sweet...


22 posted on 09/30/2006 7:58:48 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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To: US Navy guy

You're a newbie?

It is OK by the NRA to disarm felons and to disbar them of their RKABA under color of law. So make felons of us all and disarm us all - legally.

'Cept of course the gallus-snappin shotgun-chic NRA lifer recta. Be careful of who agrees with you since they may be idiots too. Which part of 'shall not be infringed' is not understood?


23 posted on 09/30/2006 7:59:29 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Graybeard58
Gun-free schools makes children the first and easiest target for terrorists and nutjobs. And killing them creates the greatest public outcry, just what these scumbags want.

Another incredibly stupid and dangerous liberal idea. The Dims are always on about how much they love the children. I just wonder why they always kill the ones they love. It's like some psychotic killer thing they've got.
24 posted on 09/30/2006 10:12:12 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: US Navy guy

Hmm, leadership classes? Praise in public but b|tch at in private? You may agree with me, or argue your point or insult me but in public where I mashed your button.


25 posted on 09/30/2006 1:59:07 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Graybeard58

I am sharing a converstion with the blogger's here on FR I had with an associate last week after this shooting.

mr_hammer's comments:
There is no such thing as a saftey zone ... only a victim zone, as demonstrated in Co. this past week. Had there been armed personnel on the premises and entrances of the school labeled as such (administrators armed) a sixteen year old girl would still be alive. The fallacy that you can stave of evil with cute little red (anti firearm) stickers on the entrances of a school is plain stupid. Predators will always seek out the weak and exploit them. Get real Libs!

Secondly, there is a very easy techique used in disarming someone who places a firearm to your face. Find a good self defense class and have them show you how to do this.

Passing more feel good laws is a waste time and will just more kids killed.

P.S. This crap is the product of a depraved culture that has devalued the dignity of life.

mr_hammer's associates response:
More gun laws will never prevent the depraved and evil from committing their dastardly deeds. We could have only gotten this far—this far removed from reality—by a culture of appeasement. We appease the criminals, the terrorists, the banks, the insurance companies, the public utilities—OUR government in general. We have created a culture of appeasement at all recognizable levels of society. When is the last time there was a concerted effort on the part of the general populace to demand the execution of a mass murderer?

When is the last time a state’s citizenry demanded the resignation of a corrupt politician? When is the last time we have actually fought for our ever-diminishing freedom? It’s all connected and never for a moment should we think it is not.

The evil-doers of our communities roam freer now than ever before in our nation’s short history. Sure, we have more police and a bloated government. But what are they up to? Well, most police spend 75% of their time collecting additional revenue at the base of 35 MPH zones or construction zones on highways. Do they train? Not hardly. If you believe that they do then do some inquiry of your own. Ask where, when and how. How often do they practice forced entries? How often do they qualify with their duty weapon? Where do they train? How many hours per month? How many rounds per year do they or quarter do they shoot? When and where do they practice defensive tactics? How often do they attend coursework?

Unless you live in one of America’s largest cities the above answers are going to disappoint you beyond belief. Blind credit gifted upon those we depend upon is fool’s gold. I would verify if I were you.

The police in this incident attempted to blow a hole in the exterior wall of the school. They should have known from experience and training that it simply doesn’t work. They should have entered that school through the main doorways immediately and in mass. They should have marched directly to the classroom where this psychopath was holding the children. They have a job to do and it’s a risky job. Sure, it’s easy to say what “should have” been done. I suppose that’s not really the point. The point is what “should have” been done in the months and years leading up to an incident in a rural community—not just that day.

This nut in Colorado failed to appear in court in 2004 on a harassment charge. He was a derelict who wandered around the state and lived in his car. Did anyone try and find him these past two years for failure to appear in court? No, but I’ll bet they made about $5 million in speeding fines over the course of the last 24 months.

What makes me angry about this story is the fact that it is so preventable. It’s preventable by people standing up for their rights. By demanding that their local government do what they have been chartered to do. It’s preventable by demanding—through outright insistence—that their local police train. It’s preventable by demanding that their local government put YOUR money where it belongs—in your safety and security.

This tragedy is in no way about guns. It’s about priorities. We know where the federal and state governments’ priorities are: To grow ever larger. Where are yours?


26 posted on 09/30/2006 7:09:21 PM PDT by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: mr_hammer

Very good post. There was a male in the classroom that wanted to stay but when the man put gun in his face he wisely left.

Our schools teach how to put condoms on cukes but not how to react in a critical situation.

If the kids had the alertness in the first seconds of the hostage taking they could have taken him down.

I know this is not going to be popular but we need to understand that gov't can't protect us all the time and a school is wide open, except maybe in the tough inner schools.

Arming teachers is not the answer either, a perp would just pop the teacher and go from there.

The power is in the students and being able to react quickly before the perp got the upper hand.

This incident should be an eye opener for all schools and PD's.


27 posted on 09/30/2006 7:54:21 PM PDT by Current Occupant (DBM, Libs, 5th column,PC will destroy this country. Preach it TALKIES while you still can!!!!!!)
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To: Current Occupant
"Arming teachers is not the answer either, a perp would just pop the teacher and go from there."

I disagree, knowing full well that some of the students are unhinged a teacher or administrator has the right to defend themselves. Are you saying that one must forfeit the right personal security when in fact past history has shown that the present mindset of being passive does not work? No I say. In the face of so many loons running around I say arm the teachers and give them a chance to save themselves and my kid.

... ever hear of one of these loons attacking a police station? No, I rest my case.
28 posted on 10/01/2006 5:52:38 AM PDT by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: mr_hammer

I think you missed to point of my post but no big deal.

Hell yes I want the teachers armed.


29 posted on 10/01/2006 8:13:10 AM PDT by Current Occupant (DBM, Libs, 5th column,PC will destroy this country. Preach it TALKIES while you still can!!!!!!)
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To: US Navy guy
Painting all of the LEO's with that brush is a bit of a jump, IMO. In Jackson Country (KC Metro), they have a bit of a good 'ol boy network going on, but if you scoot to the next county in any direction, all of the sudden you get nice guys trying to serve and protect. In reality, what these guys get paid is so darn low that I don;t blame them for their fringe benefits.

I was Navy, too. What was your rate and where were you stationed?

30 posted on 10/01/2006 9:29:38 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Graybeard58

Allowing teachers with CCW to carry is the only option. 1 guy with even a KelTec P3-AT (very inexpensive tiny gun) in each school would end this crap once and for all.


31 posted on 10/01/2006 9:35:16 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
'Cept of course the gallus-snappin shotgun-chic NRA lifer recta. Be careful of who agrees with you since they may be idiots too. Which part of 'shall not be infringed' is not understood?

Is this a coherent thought? Can I get a translation?

32 posted on 10/01/2006 9:37:24 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: US Navy guy

Bwahahaha.


33 posted on 10/01/2006 9:41:20 AM PDT by verity (Mohammed is a Dirt Bag)
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