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CA: Doctor says ethics stopped him from aiding execution
ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 9/27/06 | David Kravets - ap

Posted on 09/28/2006 11:23:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 09/28/2006 11:23:47 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
But there is NO constitutional problem with starving an innocent woman in a coma to death. But we are damned if we allow murderers to die begging for the deaths they dished out to their victims. I thought the purpose of punishment is to make the criminal suffer for his crime? Where did we go wrong as a society worrying about the tender psyches of murderers??

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

2 posted on 09/28/2006 11:26:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

Executions shouldn't require a doctor to do anything but pronounce the subject dead. The only choice to be made is bullet, rope, or pike.


3 posted on 09/28/2006 11:39:48 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: goldstategop
I thought the purpose of punishment is to make the criminal suffer for his crime?

That may be the nature of punishment, but it isn't -- and has never been -- the purpose of punishment. Suffering itself isn't an end. Moreover, the doctor's refusal to assist in the execution has nothing to do with the merits of the death penalty in general, and everything to do with the specific ethics of the medical profession, which prevents the harming of life. Blame Hypocrates.

4 posted on 09/28/2006 11:59:40 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: NormsRevenge

Man, they gotta bring back the good ole electric chair.


5 posted on 09/29/2006 12:02:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Guillotine. No drugs.
No pain. Over in .0002 of a second. Apprehension, yes.


6 posted on 09/29/2006 12:47:52 AM PDT by poetknowit
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To: poetknowit

I think I read here that Marie Antoinette (and others) were placed on the guillotine face up.


7 posted on 09/29/2006 1:35:23 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Alter Kaker
You are correct and I don't doubt that a large percentage of people who are not even bound by a Hippocratic Oath would refuse to be an agent of the State in a matter of this nature. And that is a good thing. As such, being the responsibility of the State, then effective efficiency should be the goal. Also maintaining reasonable expense. The State could execute for a lot less then it does now if not for misguided sensibilities....Pronouncing death should be a Doctor's only professional duty in this matter, IMO.
8 posted on 09/29/2006 1:55:30 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: KDD

I agree. The doctor was in the right on this one. He has sworn to do no harm.


9 posted on 09/29/2006 2:15:30 AM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: NormsRevenge

wonder if he would be so ethical when asked to perform an abortion?


10 posted on 09/29/2006 3:54:59 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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Perhaps he would. There are many, many, doctors who hold human life sacred. You are making a common fallacy: stereotyping a person based on perceived group characteristics.


11 posted on 09/29/2006 4:06:38 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: goldstategop

death by 90 story drop....no pain at all...


12 posted on 09/29/2006 4:16:20 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Israel, taking out the world's trash since 1948.)
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To: GAB-1955

i certainly HOPE he would.


13 posted on 09/29/2006 4:37:09 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: GAB-1955

I doubt very seriously that he holds many lives sacred.
At the very least, the girl this man killed.

But doctors don't need to be involved in excutions any more than lawyers need to be on the battlefield.


14 posted on 09/29/2006 4:42:10 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior))
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To: NormsRevenge

Now if the eyes of the rest of the doctors would be opened while they're executing innocent babies - - -

43,000,000 children murdered since Row vs. Wade was shoved down our throats.


15 posted on 09/29/2006 4:43:11 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. -2 Tim. 3:12)
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I doubt very seriously that he holds many lives sacred. At the very least, the girl this man killed.

You have absolutely no grounds to make such an accusation.

I could doubt very seriously that you are even remotely intelligent. But, I have no grounds for that, so I won't - yet.

16 posted on 09/29/2006 4:46:19 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: KDD
Here's my MD take on this.

I'm pro death penalty. If being the executioner were assigned by lottery, I'd pull the switch, trigger or trapdoor and go home and eat dinner.

But I would not use my particular skills for this purpose. I think the use of medical staff and medical tools to carry out this function is a sign of social decay, and I want no part of it.

17 posted on 09/29/2006 4:47:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Who you gonna call?)
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To: Alter Kaker; goldstategop
I wonder if this doctor has ever performed an abortion?..
..are his 'ethics' genuine.....or selective?
18 posted on 09/29/2006 4:55:37 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Lancey Howard

Is this true?...Never heard it before.


19 posted on 09/29/2006 4:57:33 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Maybe so......not everyone is as intelligent as some assume,
but your personal attack on me is totally out of line.
Perhaps you should read the directions on posting to another.
Thank you very much.

Now...to the subject at hand...

The death penalty in this country has been picked and prodded and torn apart and completely done away with at times, and I for one, am tired of liberals trying to make out like the lives of depraved criminals are more important than the victims.

BTW... if I offended you, please forgive me. I was talking about the man in the article.


20 posted on 09/29/2006 5:58:43 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior))
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