Congressman wants FBI anthrax briefing

ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | 10/27/06 | DONNA DE LA CRUZ

[Khan Noonian Singh]

<< Welcome back.

You've been away for a while. Of course, news about the anthrax attack was almost nonexistent for the last several months, up until the anniversary. >>

Every year produces a flurry of anthrax articles circa the anniversary. Some reporters have it calendared, methinks.

[jpl]

I see from Ed's site that the FBI has politely rejected the good Representative's request for a classified briefing to find out what is going on, just as I had a feeling they would. I guess Mr. Holt's credentials as a scientist didn't count for much, huh?

My advice for any reporters and other curiosity seekers out there wanting to ask some question of Douglas Beecher is: don't waste your time. I suspect Mr. Beecher isn't going to be answering any questions for us, now or ever.

[EdLake]

What a total bullshitter Ed Lake is. This is what Ed Lake defines as an "anonymous leak" to the media:

href=http://www.afip.org/images/public/nl081002.pdf

The AFIP lab deputy director, Florabel Mullick, said "This [silica] was a key component. Silica prevents the anthrax from aggregating, making it easier to aerosolize.

That's the kind of logic that keeps this debate going. The leak occurred in October 2001, and TrebleRebel says it was public information in November of 2002. How does that show it wasn't a leak in October 2001?

It would help if people spent more time looking at facts instead of just voicing opinions. And, when looking at the facts, you should look at ALL the facts, not just the facts which you can twist to support your point of view.

Ed

[TrebleRebel]

Are you saying the existence of the above link to statements from named military scientists is not a fact?

[genefromjersey]

If you are that curious, you could look up his complete,peer-reviewed research paper.

I did-though I don't have the link anymore.

[jpl]

By the way, the Catch-22 that I was referring to had nothing at all to do with silica, bentonite, or polymerized glass.

The Catch-22 I'm talking about is the fact that from the beginning, the government has gone out of their way to make it seem as though the attacks were done by a "domestic" and not by Islamic terrorists. Even the stupid name "Amerithrax" was created in order to give just that impression; it's intended to tell everyone "this was American anthrax", ie not Al Qaeda.

Now however, they have not just claimed that the anthrax was less sophisticated than originally thought, but they have even gone so far as to publicly admit that the Ames strain was available all over the planet, and not just in seven or eight labs in the United States, which is why the "pool of suspects" has been widened.

Take a guess what that means about who could have done the attacks? They've basically stated that most of the original assumptions and reports were all wrong, yet oddly they won't admit the most obvious implication of all: which is that the original assumption of an "American scientist" is wrong as well!

That's the Catch-22 I'm talking about my friend. And I don't know how they get out of it now.

[Battle Axe]

Truly, they have painted themselves in a corner. Hatfill will get a tidy sum and he deserves it for what they have put him through.

But they are trying to protect the status quo....the economy...in it's full momentum. They wanted us to think that it was one guy...and we have him under surveillance...and he wont' do it again. That keeps the economy moving.

If we were to think that we are at risk of being attacked again my Islamic extremists (AND THIS IS WHAT BUSH HAS BEEN TRYING TO TELL US FOR 5 YEARS), then the economy and the attitude of the country might be squeamish.

But this is the truth. It was Islamic extremists!! The truth shall set us free. We need to start profiling these people and chucking them back to their own countries, or setting them on a barge sans motor or something. I don't' want to pay for them being locked up the rest of my life. They have got to go.

The FBI and the Postal Inspectors are working on this. We are close. Congressman Holt's letter is a coincidence. An eruption of frustration by not knowing what is really going on.

There have been many mistakes made, and the original premise was wrong. But it was a lot easier to believe at the time than what we know now. There are still a lot of Clinton-esque still in authority in law enforcement.

Thank God for GWB. He knows and with the MSM tying one hand behind his back, he should be lauded for his attempts to keep the enemy at bay.

[EdLake]

Are you saying the existence of the above link to statements from named military scientists is not a fact?

The existence of the link is fact. You can click on it to verify that.

It is also a fact that the named military scientists made the statements in the AFIP newsletter article.

What is NOT a fact is that there was an additive in the attack anthrax. Beecher says that is NOT a fact. The facts indicate that AFIP merely detected silicon and oxygen and ASSUMED it was an additive and ASSUMED it was silica. The facts indicate that it was most likely some other form of silicon and oxygen (such as glass) absorbed from laboratory equipment. In other words, it was "lab contamination" from the CULPRIT'S lab.

You can believe otherwise, but the facts will be coming out on this, I assure you. It seems pretty clear that the Beecher article is just the first in a series intended to blow away all the nonsense about coatings and additives with solid scientific fact.

Ed

[EdLake]

Truly, they have painted themselves in a corner. Hatfill will get a tidy sum and he deserves it for what they have put him through.

This is another popular misconception, just like the nonsense about coatings and additives.

The depositions in the Hatfill v Ashcroft lawsuit clearly show that the FBI was pressured into publicly investigating Dr. Hatfill by the staffs of Senators Daschle and Leahy. Those staffs even got briefings on search warrants, the results of searches, and the results of lie detector tests. It was ILLEGAL for the FBI to give that information to those staff members, because it is a violation of the Privacy Act. That is why Hatfill will win his case. The FBI freely admits that they gave such information to the staffers and that it was in violation of the Privacy Act.

The public harassment of Dr. Hatfill began in late June, 2002, after more than SIX MONTHS of repeated demands from politically motivated conspiracy theorists, from the media, and from politicians who believed those conspiracy theorists. They were all claiming that the FBI was covering up for Dr. Hatfill. The only way the FBI could prove that they weren't covering up for Dr. Hatfill was to publicly investigate him.

So, blaming the FBI for the harassment of Dr. Hatfill is just another example of not looking at ALL the facts.

Ed

[EdLake]

The Catch-22 I'm talking about is the fact that from the beginning, the government has gone out of their way to make it seem as though the attacks were done by a "domestic" and not by Islamic terrorists. Even the stupid name "Amerithrax" was created in order to give just that impression; it's intended to tell everyone "this was American anthrax", ie not Al Qaeda.

No one who looks at ALL the facts could possibly believe that either al Qaeda or Iraq were behind the attacks.

But it's not worth arguing over, since the ONLY argument such people have is that it cannot be proven that it is IMPOSSIBLE for al Qaeda or Iraq to have done it. And if you can't prove it's IMPOSSIBLE, then they are free to believe it is true - no matter how ridiculous the belief is.

Ed

[muawiyah]

The way they get out of it is to start investigating Barbara Hatch Rosenberg to find out why she was working so hard to provide distracting cover from the various leftwing groups that might have done this.

[muawiyah]

Oh, yes, the contamination ~ did you ever tear apart an embossed postage paid envelope to see what's in the paper to make it stiff and bright?

[muawiyah]

Do you have any evidence that any of the mailpieces were mailed after September 8, 2001?

[Battle Axe]

I also want to blame BHR (Barbara Hatch Rosenberg) but the FBI is complicit also. They allowed the senate staffers to make them talk. They should never had said a word, but the public does have a voice, just as Cong. Holt is expressing the frustrations now.

We are the employers of the FBI and they do need to answer for things gone wrong. But they should not ever have allowed themselves to get into the position that they are now in. One thing leads to another.

And you are absolutely 100% wrong about it being the Islamic extremists. It is!!!!

I'll just thank you in advance for this nice disclaimer in your book.

Does 1% of Ed Lake think I'm right???

[Battle Axe]

Birds of a feather flock together.

All the liberal institutions are in a tiny boat taking shots at the Patriots in the big boat, and then there is another tiny boat full of Islamic terrorists.

The liberal institutions really don't like Islamic terrorists, but they need them. We are not producing enough children to keep the expanded liberal institutions going. So they look for students in other places, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Pakistan, and lots of other places.

The liberal institutions are very defensive about their stance and greet us at the door with clenched teeth.

What BHR is covering for is another liberal institution, not left wing people who have done this.

This is the work of AQ. It is coordinated with 9-11-01. That is why they put that at the very top of the letters. It was a stretch of faith. It was written before 9-11-01.

Think what would have happened if we would have stopped Atta and the others from boarding the planes....

[NeoCaveman]

Fascinating stuff.

[jpl]

Very true. BHR is a hardcore anti-military, international socialist academic type who saw a good opportunity to take a shot at the DoD and took advantage of it big time. Furthermore, she probably had a personal grudge of some kind against Hatfill. The fact that she pointed the finger of suspicion at him so specifically and directly clearly means that she knew him beforehand.

Although I have no proof of it, there's no doubt in my mind that the antipatriotic left here in America is receiving massive amounts of backdoor funding from our various enemies overseas, probably including many of the Islamist nations. I have a dream that someday a patriotic journalist will dig into this and find proof of these connections and break open our equivalent of Watergate.

[Battle Axe]

ME TOO!!

Where can we find these patriotic journalists? I've sent my stuff to Bill O'Reilly three times, Greta three times and even Sean Hannity once. I thought he would listen because he got a letter too. Not one blip from anyone.


That is except the Postal Inspection Service. They believe. They sent three men here to see me from Wash. DC.

I did manage to get...with the help of another Freeper a copy of all that I know to Tony Snow, just moments before he took the job at the White House.

Tony said that he didn't think anyone at FOX had the background to understand it.

Now with the Postal Inspectors on the job, I am reluctant to stir the cauldron. I think they have had time now to get special ops in place and are collecting evidence.

Everyone morning I wake up and pray that today will be the day that the arrest is made.

I also had thought about whether BHR had a personal vendetta against Hatfill. Did he cut her off in TRAFFIC?? Was she having a bad hair day??

Perhaps we will find out that it was just something she read or had heard and Hatfill was a convenient target.

The truth will set us free. It will condemn a whole bunch. If the "bunch" and I know you are watching this....will come forward and confess to the parts that you know, things will go a lot easier.

I do not think that the "enablers bunch" are as guilty as they perceive themselves to be.

They have denied all along......but the truth is....I have a sample.....I was there..... If you keep in denial, you will only make another Dan Rather of yourselves and you have worked hard and have great records. Just this little oversight....

Enough for now.

[EdLake]

Do you have any evidence that any of the mailpieces were mailed after September 8, 2001?

I guess it all depends upon what you call "evidence". The first letters to the media were postmarked September 18, 2001, and the second batch to the two senators were postmarked October 9, 2001.

That's pretty good evidence that the letters were mailed after September 8, 2001. But I was just arguing with someone else who insists it's possible that the letters could have sat around in some post office or mail box for a week and a month before they were finally processed. And I can't prove that didn't happen - even though it is totally preposterous to believe that it DID happen that way.

Very large copies of the 4 postmarked envelopes which were recovered are on my site. They're in the original main page.

Ed

[EdLake]

We are the employers of the FBI and they do need to answer for things gone wrong. But they should not ever have allowed themselves to get into the position that they are now in. One thing leads to another.

I agree that the FBI should never have allowed themselves to be pressured into publicly investigating Dr. Hatfill. But I also understand how it could happen. At the time, there was a lot of talk about merging the FBI into Homeland Security because the FBI failed to stop 9/11. So, evidently Van Harp just decided it was better to bend to the pressure than to stand up to it and get destroyed.

Does 1% of Ed Lake think I'm right???

I cannot prove that "Islamic extremists" were NOT behind the anthrax attacks, so I have to acknowledge the possibility that they were. I can estimate the possibility to be a 1% possibility. But do I think you're right. No. Absolutely not. All I can do is acknowledge the possibility.

Ed