Posted on 09/27/2006 11:07:20 AM PDT by SDGOP
I grant him credit for voting for Alito and Roberts. I take credit away for not leading which was his job. In my book that leaves him with a deficit.
I think your statement says a lot more about you than it does about Mitt Romney. His service to his church, even if his church is not religiously correct, shows that he is willing to sacrifice for something bigger than he is. That is a lot more than most people (I suspect I can include you) are willing to do. That is a feather in his cap to me.
The fact is that Mormons vote for all manner of Christians and do not hold their religious views against them. Indeed, I dare say that most Mormons (probably 80-90%) pulled the lever for GWB and if they had not done so, Al Gore or Kerry would be president right now.
But too many on this forum and too many so-called Christians are not at all willing to return the favor. If Mormons are willing to vote for Evangelicals and Catholics, then Evangelicals and Catholics ought to be willing to vote for Mormons... even missionary, temple-worthy Mormons.
My biggest problem with Romney is not that he is a Mormon, but that he has taken the road of compromise to get where he is now. But then politics, unfortunately, is the art of compromise, isn't it?
I suspect that underneath that public personna of a "pro-choice" republican is a dedicated "pro-life" Mormon and if he gets the party nod (and it looks more and more every day like he is going to get it) then I will vote for him. I am fairly certain that if given the opportunity he will appoint the kind of judges who will work to overturn Roe v. Wade and a lot of other stupid decisions. If we allow A Democrat (any democrat) to get elected, we can kiss that opportunity good bye for the foreseeable future.
And FWIW, I am an ex-Mormon.
Bush is not pushing a nanny state and that is not what christian activists want. Allen was a governor too for the record and he has a much better tenure in his 4 years than romney does. ALlen made a mistake, big woop. Everybody makes mistakes, Romney has made his share of mistakes, the only differences is nobody is focusing in on them like they are with allen.
Don't ever discount the work of God in the heart of man. Like I said let's wait and see how Romney's pro-life view plays out. Since 1973, I have seen many people turn from pro aborts to pro lifers. However, sad to say, most politicians go the other way (pro-life to pro-death)especially if they claim to be catholic.
He didn't have to lead; the job got done. His leadership failed on other issues, but Judges wasn't one of them.
Romney hasn't changed, only his ability to obfuscate has improved.
Romney is like many Democrats: he is "personally" opposed to abortion, but ultimately believes it should be legally accessible to those who want it. Lately, he is fond of calling it a states' rights issue (which is the same as holding the Confederate line on slavery), and has said that any state that wants abortion should be allowed to have it.
No matter his attempts to appeal to conservatives now, Romney remains pro-choice because abortion is not an issue of justice with him. He doesn't understand that the right to life trumps the right to choose, even the right of a state to choose. The government must protect life above all, or society will literally die.
Under the same principle that outlawed slavery as an injustice, we must outlaw abortion.
But too many on this forum and too many so-called Christians are not at all willing to return the favor. If Mormons are willing to vote for Evangelicals and Catholics, then Evangelicals and Catholics ought to be willing to vote for Mormons... even missionary, temple-worthy Mormons
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I missed this rule of conservative voting -Where is that found again? Just plain goofy thinking.
The difference is Mormons think they are part of the Christian movement. Evangelical Christians believe Mormon's are not merely a sect of Christianity - but a cult - the same as Jehovah Witness, David Koresh's group, and Scientology to name a few.
There's no way people who have that strong of belief are going to vote for a mormon. It's not a tit for tat - or a favor. It's our right! There are so many fake rights out there, we forget our right to vote for whom WE believe matches our values, beliefs, etc.
Indeed. I have never encountered ANYONE with that position who, when challenged, could give a coherent explanation of why they "personally" oppose abortion.
There's only one reason to oppose abortion -- it's murder. If it's not murder, then why oppose it? It'd be like saying "I am personally against tonsilectomy." On the other hand, if it is murder, then why allow it?
Not "just like". Not even close. Mormons are by and large mainstream Americans. Their theology may be misplaced, but their hearts, by and large are not. I would have no trouble voting for a Mormon as president. As a Christian I am well aware of the verse which states that the heart of the Ruler is in the hand of God. So ultimately God is in control and we have nothing to fear.
If you would refuse to vote for a Mormon on the grounds that he is a Mormon, but would instead let a "good Methodist" like Hillary Clinton take the reigns because you can't see fit to vote for a Mormon, then your priorities are really messed up.
I would not vote for Harry Reid for dog catcher, as he is a phony baloney and is about as committed to Mormonism as he is to George Bush. But Mitt Romney has promise. If he overcomes this rabid anti-Mormon bias that people like you have and gets the nomination, he can count on my vote. Right now there are others I would prefer, but I don't think any of them are electable. At least not right now.
BTW if you are only going to vote for people whose beliefs match your own, I'd suggest you stop registering to vote.
Mormons are by and large mainstream Americans.
Rush Limbaugh gave a nod his direction on his show htis morning, calling him a "Reagan candidate."
I don't know Romeny personally. But I do know people who do. He is pro-life.
And what did you do in your life at age 18 or 19 that was so commendable?
Pro-Life bump
Whatever. You're entitled to your opinion of course but it's very clear to me that Frist would make a very weak president but wouldn't beat the Dem in the first place.
That sounds suspiciously like "I know you are, but what am I?"
Are you asking if we helped go door to door to deceive people with eternal consequences? No, I didn't do that when I was 18-19.
I would suggest that the Republicans do not need your narrow-minded-bigoted vote. Go vote for a good mainstream "Christian" like Hillary or Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter or Al Gore or John Kerry.
To be quite honest back in my younger days I actually voted for Jimmy Carter because he was a "Born Again" Christian and pretty damn vocal about it. I thought how great it would be to have a dedicated Christian as president. It turned out that he was absolutely hands down the worst president that the United States has ever had. Clinton may come in a far distant second, but "Born Again" Jimmy was absolutely the worst president of all time.
You know the Quakers aren't exactly mainstream Christians, yet Richard Nixon was a Quaker and (despite the watergate thing) a pretty decent president. Ronald Reagan was divorced and then later married an astrology queen before he was elected president. I suppose these guys would all be out of the picture in your perfect world, eh?
I don't suppose you went door to door preaching the true gospel?
I didn't think so.
You're being obtuse. I suspect a jack-mormon, not really a former mormon.
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