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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Dimensio
I believe that you have confused declaration with demonstration. The author assets that "Darwinism" is a "myth" and a "weapon against science", but offers no credible evidence that this is the case. Moreover, your claims about Charles Darwin himself are not only also without evidence, but are also not even a logical conculsion of accepting the claim of the excerpt that you have quoted as factual.

Sorry, I guess I should have included the sarcasm tags. As far as it not being a logical conclusion of the claim, I'll argue that. If it is "first and foremost a weapon against religion" then it was conceived and constructed for that purpose from the outset.

81 posted on 09/27/2006 11:00:51 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Buck W.

>>With respect, that's a cop out.<<

I disagree. Strongly. If you claim it is compatible with the Bible, you must know what the bible says on the subject. You are asking the other side to prove a negative. We are merely asking you to prove a positive.


83 posted on 09/27/2006 11:02:29 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: mugs99

See 81.


84 posted on 09/27/2006 11:02:41 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Buck W.

>>What I disagree with is the incompatibility with Christianity.<<

He did not say it was incompatible with Christianity. He said it precludes the need for a God Creator. However, I would most definitely say it is absolutely incompatible with Christianity.

It is also incompatible with reality.


85 posted on 09/27/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Theo

And I can't see how your thesis that even a nonliteral reading of the Bible remains inconsistent with evolution.

Personally, I believe that God is quite clever, and wants us to be, too.


86 posted on 09/27/2006 11:04:52 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: oldleft

>>>It was a joke...may biblical literalists do believe that.>>>

I think that is more the case. You can believe that a creator is possible without taking the Bible literally (I think alot is Christian Mythology).

Unfortunately, the Darwinists want to feel soooo intellectually superior that they chose to make fun of anyone who doesn't adopt their theory as fact.


87 posted on 09/27/2006 11:05:20 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Theo
Believe (even loosely) the Bible. Or believe Darwin. You really can't believe both.
The Old Testament is a Hebrew book. The New Testament is a Christian book. How do you answer those Christians who say you really can't believe both?
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88 posted on 09/27/2006 11:05:30 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: RobRoy

The cop out was in referring me to a website, and not succintly stating the point yourself.


89 posted on 09/27/2006 11:07:00 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: tacticalogic
If it is "first and foremost a weapon against religion" then it was conceived and constructed for that purpose from the outset.

Evolution is now a laboratory science. It makes no difference what its implications for religion are.

Religion will come to terms with evolution, as it did with heliocentrism, germ theory, anaesthesia, and other controversies.

90 posted on 09/27/2006 11:07:15 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: RobRoy

"He said it precludes the need for a God Creator. "

That's what HE said. My point is that it does not.


91 posted on 09/27/2006 11:08:01 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: Buck W.

>>The cop out was in referring me to a website, and not succintly stating the point yourself.<<

It is not a cop out. It is avoiding redundance. It's all there. Read it yourself. Heck, just stick with Genesis and note very carefully the words used and their actual dictionary meaning. Anybody who says darwinism is compatible with Christianity OR the Bible is grossly ignorant, either unintentionally or intentionally, of what the Bible actually says on the subject.

Choose multiple versions if you choose.


92 posted on 09/27/2006 11:09:58 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Buck W.

>>>The cop out was in referring me to a website, and not succintly stating the point yourself.>>>

What did you expect him to do? Post the entire Bible? Not gonna make the mods happy with that post.


93 posted on 09/27/2006 11:10:49 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Buck W.

>>"He said it precludes the need for a God Creator. "

That's what HE said. My point is that it does not.<<

Let me be more specific. His remark simply said that darwinism, if true, describes a world where there is not a NEED for a God Creator, not that there is not a God Creator.


94 posted on 09/27/2006 11:12:03 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Luka_Brazi
He was an agnostic, not a Unitarian, meaning he didn't think the question of God's existence was answerable

Agnostic is not a religion. Unitarians and Deists are agnostics...The question of God's existence isn't answerable. Do you have proof of God's existence?
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95 posted on 09/27/2006 11:14:39 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: js1138

I'm just following the logical implications of the author's claims, not agreeing with them.


96 posted on 09/27/2006 11:14:46 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RobRoy

We don't NEED ice cream, but we can't deny that it exists.


97 posted on 09/27/2006 11:17:08 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: sandbar

"What did you expect him to do? Post the entire Bible? Not gonna make the mods happy with that post. "

No, but a two sentence statement of beliefs would have been sufficient.


98 posted on 09/27/2006 11:18:13 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: RobRoy

You're spinning, or missing my point.


99 posted on 09/27/2006 11:19:01 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: PatrickHenry
This thread is an embarrassment to conservatism.

But is has its uses.

Ha ha!

100 posted on 09/27/2006 11:19:12 AM PDT by Hoplite
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