Posted on 09/27/2006 8:45:45 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
The 3/5s rule was a compromise. The South wanted to count slaves as people for the purpose of inflating their number of Represenative but deny they were people to justify their enslavement of them. It is nonsense to blame the North for the South's basic intellectual schitzophrena on the issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise The three-fifths clause was proposed by Pennsylvanian delegate James Wilson at the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as a compromise between Southerners and Northerners over how to count slaves for the purposes of determining representation in the House of Representatives and for taxation. The three-fifths compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution
The Confederates where a Goverment you should Rawle's Book
Is this the one you want us to read?
http://www.constitution.org/wr/rawle-00.htm
I'LL SAY YANKEE ALL I WANT TOO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO CRY TO THE NAACP OR YOUR BIG HERO RUDY!
I stand corrected. The first incident was as you described, the second involved the flotilla and was the cause of the shelling of Fort Sumter.
Lincoln claimed the flotilla was food and provisions only, no ammunition or guns. That was a lie, Southern spies watched the ships being loaded IIRC.
That was the beginning of the war.
Can you show me where it says a state will be attacked if it secedes?
An UNRECOGNIZED illegitimate government was how they were thought of among many nations including ours.
We need to find a history thread! Catch you all tomorrow or in the lounge.
Both sides did things that shouldn't be done, but the bottom line is, the south brought it on themselves. If they hadn't pre-emptively attacked Fort Sumpter, and if they'd of trusted the Constitution and respected the Constitutional process and if that means being out numbered by abolitionist states as new non-slave States are admitted from the territories, then sobeit, but the Confederates weren't interrested in that. I'm a southerner to the core, and a Texan till death and am a conservative by binding belief in what I know to be right and true, and have nothing but contempt for the northern elitist liberal New-England/Left Coast mentality and hate all they stand for with all their socialistic intent to destroy this country and the Constitution. BUT I can't condone revisionist history that wants to assess most of the blame for the Civil War on the North and Lincoln. It is not accurate, it is not factual, and it is not fair. The slave owning southern Confederate States started the war. They picked the fight. They chunked the Constitution when they figured out they were going to lose the Senate vote with new non-slave states being admitted to the Union, so rather then respect the rule of law and Constitutional rules in action, they took their toys and went home and forced Lincoln's hand. What the South did was unconstitutional, and illegal, and their unprovoked attack on Fort Sumpter picked a fight that they weren't equipped to win. Tough. I have as much contempt and hate for what the liberal New England/Left Coast states are and stand for today as I do for the slave owning anti-Constitutional States as they were in the 1860s. No attempt to revise history after the fact can change that. The South picked the fight, the North finished it, and Lincoln happened to be the guy at the helm. Any good President who obeyed the Constitution and the intent of the founders would have done the same things. Mistakes were made on both sides, but the South wanted the fight and they got it. Just because they lost, is no reason to think that they didn't have it coming. And no one loves the south or what it stands for TODAY as I do. But while the South is DEAD RIGHT today in how this country should be, 145 years ago, it was DEAD WRONG. I'm not seeing how there is any argument about this among conservatives.
StoneWall, don't get in a fight like this. To many, Yankee is an insult.
Make your arguments plainly, and don't get angry.
Raster, you and Kerretarded need to remember StoneWall is a newbie. He is also apparently a proud Southerner like me, and we don't like our heritage being trashed anymore than the next guy.
ohhh
even while typing Mike .. I thought that doesn't sound right....
Chris Wallace ... Chris ... Chris .... never to make that mistake again!!!! thanks for being gentle!
how old are you...2?
GO TO WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/CONFEDERATE_CAUSE
I think he is out of Ridilin Pops.
We'll have to just disagree but don't tell me I'm wrong about what I've studied and researched my whole life. I know quite a few firmly conservative history Professors, one of which has a specific Doctorate in the Civil War, and they reflect the same things I have said. We just need to agree to disagree and leave the past in the past. The south is conservative now and reflects the spirit of the Constitution, and the liberals and RINOs in the minority of the country are not fit to lead the country. That is the reality of today, and the past is the past. The reality of today is what can destroy the country. Not what happened 145 years ago.
My parents were born in GA and KY....and much of my family is from Tennessee. My immigrant ancestor fought for GW in the Revolution for 8th VA (he's on the Valley Forge rolls), and two of his sons rode horses to Canada to fight British (and kill Techumseh).
They ALL fought for preserving the UNION too. I'm a proud Yankee (it was good enough for WW2 soldiers).
I like breaking in Newbies!
your not breaking me with your Yankee crap
Okay...GFY, noob.
I think your nothing but Yankee Gop Lap Dog!
ANd the GOP didn't throw out Newt or Tom DeLay. Newt did some pretty questionable things, and while I mostly like him, I don't approve of someone who dumps their wife due to illness because that doesn't serve his purposes, and then gets some trophy wife that looks good at press conferences. While mostly conservative, he is not as solidly conservative as most are on social issues. As for DeLay, I know him. Went to church with him for many years at Sugar Creek Baptist Chruch, lived in his district for over ten years, and volunteered for him on his campaigns. The GOP did not dump him. In an example of dignity and self sacrifice that I can't think of in recent history he fell on his sword and quit his House Seat so he couldn't be used as a weapon of misinformation by the liberal media and liberal Democrats to defeat the GOP with their "conservative culture of corruption" spew. Notice that's not used anymore since he stepped down? DeLay is a conservative hero and he took one for the team for the better of the conservative movement. And I've not seen anyone in the conservative movement, the majority of the GOP, dump or distance himself from them. You are not being accurate about this.
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