School strip searches mandated by House

http://worldnetdaily.com/ ^ | 9 23 06 | Joseph Farah

[mysterio]

The failed war on some drugs prepares to reap more victims.

[zook]

My child attends public school and I certainly want her principal to be able to act quickly in cases involving dangerous weapons or drugs.

[JamesP81]

For once, the ACLU got something right. Yet another reason to home school.

[Lexington Green]

''Remember children, America is all about freedom. Now drop your pants, bend over, and spread your buttcheeks.''

[zook]

"For once, the ACLU got something right. Yet another reason to home school."

Well here you go, let's stretch this out. Based on your position, I'll argue that parents don't have a right to search their *own* kids, their bags, their rooms, their drawers, etc. That's where the ACLU would take us, and apparently so would most of the posters on this thread.

[JamesP81]

Even though student molestations seem to be reaching epidemic proportions in schools across America, the House of Representatives has approved a tough new anti-drug and anti-weapon law that would require local districts to develop search policies – including strip searches – with immunity against prosecution for teachers and staff.

How many school shootings do you think this is going cause?

[metmom]

ping

[socal_parrot]

Even though student molestations seem to be reaching epidemic proportions in schools across America

Media hype of cases like Debra LaFave make seem like an epidemic. I'm not for teachers strip searching students, but that is a pretty irrational first sentence.

[metmom]

This could raise a bigger outcry that HR6.

Tuesday does not leave much time to act. Why haven't we heard of this before? (sort of a rhetorical question)

I know they'll be hearing from me.

[JamesP81]

I don't think anyone said that. Parents do have a right; some teacher that it isn't even a family member does not. Do not put words in my mouth. I'm well aware of what the ACLU would eventually want, but I'm not above using them to my advantage when they do get something right.

[zook]

It's a totally irrational sentence. "Strip searches," when they occur, are conducted in the presence of at least two school officials. This has nothing to do with molestation.

[RoadTest]

"Yes, indeed, I want school authorities upon reasonable suspicion of significant threat to be able to search lockers, book bags, and even students themselves."

It seems to me that this grants more rights to imprisoned terrorists than to our children.

[zook]

"Parents do have a right; some teacher that it isn't even a family member does not."

Why? Under the law, and under several USSC rulings, schools are responsible for students throughout the day. They have a limited right to act as parents, including the right to make sure students are not possessing dangerous drugs or weapons. Under current law, searches can only be conducted when there is a reasonable and specific basis for conducting them.

But again, why would you draw a distinction between parents and schools in this matter? The only way you can do this is if your concern is for parent rights, not student rights. But when parents send their kids to school, they also transfer some of their rights over to the school.

Keep your kids home, if you like, but you have no right to unreasonably restrict the school's ability to provide the safety that other parents expect.

[cva66snipe]

The bill was the brainchild of Rep. Geoff Davis, R-Kentucky,

Looks like the child congressman doesn't have a brain. It's simple you wanna do searches like that? Get a warrant. Also notify and get parents permission. Schools are not legal gaurdians or parents and such powers schools wrongfully assume to be theirs need to be ended. Give parents opportunity to be present and let them do the search instead. It's a shame a Republican wishes to trash the Constitution of the United States. But the Congresschild like the liberals is doing it for der children of course. There seems to be a lot of Clintonism in the GOP these days even the US Attorney General is using it's for the children as a tool to abuse his office.

[RockinRight]

You think Democrats don't support this either?

[Robert A Cook PE]

Nope.

What they (ACLU, WND and the Teacher Unions) are doing is FALSELY linking the (immoral and already illegal) teacher molestation problem - DUE TO ACLU immorality and lack of conscious restrictions!) to a repubbie's attempt to provide sane GUIDELINES for REAL investigation of criminal conduct.

NOW: the teachers cannot search for weapons or drugs or knives or stolen property on student BECAUSE of the falsely-assigned "student rights" put in place of FEAR of the ACLU.

SO, students are NOT protected against unreasonable searches because their are NO guidelines.

the repubbie is trying to GET guidelines in place so teachers CAN search without fear of reprisals or lawsuits. Since part of the guidelines WILLBE restrictions on who searches and who is present (second person, police officer, etc.) then the students are BETTER protected with this law.

Immoral teachers (protected by the teacher unions against firing) would not follow this procedure anyway since sexual searches wouldn't (couldn't) happen.

[cva66snipe]

They have a limited right to act as parents,

Yea like taking a young girl to get an abortion? Limited powers? Please! The USSC has wrongfully exceeded it's authority in giving schools such powers. Congress needs to impeach such judges for Judicial misconduct. Just because the USSC makes a ruling does not make it Constitutionally correct nor even moral.

[zook]

"It seems to me that this grants more rights to imprisoned terrorists than to our children."

I have no clue as how you would come up with such a remark. Students in our public schools have a great many rights. For example, they and their belongings cannot be searched unless the principal has reasonable and specific reason to suspect they possess drugs or weapons. Moreover, the intrusiveness of the search must be commensurate with the level of threat. So, for example, courts do not uphold strip searches for cigarettes (though a student suspected of having cigarettes could be asked to empty pockets or a purse).

I hope all you folks who would bar reasonable safety precautions in schools will keep your kids away from them.

[Old Student]

"It seems to me that this grants more rights to imprisoned terrorists than to our children."

It seems wrong, then. Terrorists who are imprisoned are already subject to search at any time of day or night. Students are only subject to that while at school. In most places, law officers are part of the system for conducting such searches. In the places where they aren't, they should be. I've had to have searches conducted on students in my classroom several times. I call for an administrator, who brings our security guy (an off-duty cop) in to assist. The students are searched in the hallway, out of view of the other students, by the officer, with the administrator observing. You also missed Zook's "upon reasonable suspicion" comment, or willfully disregarded it.